Revel8: 105 vs. 110

[koneco]

Speed
Maneuverability
Stability

Is there really much difference between a 105 vs. a 110 in these categories? Basically, Trees vs. the new DLP.

Or should I grab the 101s, since I've already got the 110cm Woodies if I'm feeling the need for speed?

[sempai]

Go long!

[valmorel]

Oh YEAH... go long

[koneco]

It is settled, then. DLPs ... once I sell these Condors.

[Davelynam]

....yay

[koneco]

I can feel the excitement.

[Dave Bloom]

BWPs!!!!!!!!!

Going longer doesn't make someone a better rider. If we were so concerned with riding the longest boards possible we would be skiers. BWPs are just as great as any other board. If you are concerned with powder, get Condors. But, don't count out B-Dubs because they are only 98cm. I shredded just as fast through the powder at Jay Peak as everyone who had KTPs and ALPs. On the dry slope at Liberty they took those who rode them just as deep as those who rode KTPs and ALPs. Branden Harding took them off of a 70' jump at Mount Snow. Since you are northeastern rider you will most likely be riding groomers. Therefore the steeper curves in the tips will keep you cruising at high speeds on BWPs in relation to the other boards. Hence, B-Dubs can hang with ANY board in ANY situation. Stay real, stay strong, stay unique. Get a pair of BWPs and stay true to the sports original intention of shorter boards.

[Roussel]

kind of agree, my personal philosophy on skiboarding is the shortest boards i can get away with, which at the moment im pretty convinced are the allz.

[hans]

Wondering the same thing myself. I'm 6' 1", 185 and have only ridden a pair of Snowjam 90's. They're fun as hell, but the smallest pile of powder will stop me dead in my tracks unless I'm leaning back. I plan to mainly stick to groomers, but may be headed out west this year where I'm sure to face deeper pow than what I get here in the northeast. I'm 90% set on the revolts as a compromise between all the options out there (length, width,etc.) but the jump from 90 to 105 scares me a bit. Is there a smaller board out there that will get me through powder at my size? KTP's look great but I've heard they're better for more experienced, aggressive riders.

Bottom line is I know I can't go wrong with any of these boards, but it's great to get feedback from the experts. (And what else are we going to do until it starts to snow right?)

[jjue]

kind of agree, my personal philosophy on skiboarding is the shortest boards i can get away with, .......

Great thread ! just shows there are different strokes for different folks , kind of depends on the terrain and type of riding you do ... I also agree that the goal in skiboarding is to have our boards an extension of our feet so that the skiboards kind of disappear , so "the shortest boards that we can get away with" is a really nice goal ... , for me right now out west with pow and backcountry my favorite terrain , that has to be the Condor . ...

[koneco]

I just don't feel I'd be able to blast down a mountain on BWPs like I could on 110s. My Woodies are for days when I absolutely feel like flying, but the pair I choose next are for the everydays ...

In a race on the same slope, where the two racers are identical twins, make identical movements, and the only thing different are the skiboards (BWP vs. DLP), which one is going to win? Some here are pure to the sport, and some are pure in their own right. To me, 110 feels like as much a skiboard as a 98, but every length takes some getting used to.

Oh, the type of riding? I was working on jumping last season (biggest jump being the biggest one at Ragged, for those of you who went), but I have the most fun in glades and flowing down the mountain as fast as possible. I also had some fun in actual powder at the top of Mad River Glen ... that was in my 99s, though, and I was kinda sinking.

[dis]

KTP's look great but I've heard they're better for more experienced, aggressive riders.

I'm 6'2", about 250 lbs last year when I rode the KTPs. Before that I had 1 season on snowblades. The KTPs were great boards for me. I took them out west and they were good in powder, they also handled the groomer back home fine. When I first started out on them, I definitely wouldn't have considered myself an agressive rider. The quality of the boards allowed me to progress significantly, and I feel a lot more comfortable on them that I ever did on the snow blades. My speed has increased significantly as well. In terms of getting them on edge, it does take some more effort than the thinner snowblades I was using, but other than that, I didn't find them to hard to adjust to.

[sempai]

Wondering the same thing myself. I'm 6' 1", 185 and have only ridden a pair of Snowjam 90's. They're fun as hell, but the smallest pile of powder will stop me dead in my tracks unless I'm leaning back. I plan to mainly stick to groomers, but may be headed out west this year where I'm sure to face deeper pow than what I get here in the northeast. I'm 90% set on the revolts as a compromise between all the options out there (length, width,etc.) but the jump from 90 to 105 scares me a bit. Is there a smaller board out there that will get me through powder at my size? KTP's look great but I've heard they're better for more experienced, aggressive riders.

Bottom line is I know I can't go wrong with any of these boards, but it's great to get feedback from the experts. (And what else are we going to do until it starts to snow right?)Hans, I'm a couple inches shorter than you. I used to be a big advocate for staying sub 100 cm. To me that was what a true skiboard was. I was scared to go long, but now I prefer it.

After having ridden boards from 85 cm up to 130 cm, my favorite boards to ride these days are the ALPs. To me they are much like the BWPs but with added float and stability, while still maintaining the feel that sub 100 cm boards do. Don't be afraid to try longer boards. You'll adjust to the added length in no time.

[hans]

I think one thing scaring me off the 105's is that I never see anybody passionately advocating for them on this board. Is it me, or is all the love reserved for the Condors, ALPs, or KTP's? Where are the hardcore Revolt fans? The best I hear about them is that they're a good "compromise." Sounds more like an arranged marriage than a love affair!

[slow]

I think one thing scaring me off the 105's is that I never see anybody passionately advocating for them on this board. Is it me, or is all the love reserved for the Condors, ALPs, or KTP's? Where are the hardcore Revolt fans? The best I hear about them is that they're a good "compromise." Sounds more like an arranged marriage than a love affair!

Hans,

You will notice that many riders have a 105 in their quiver and will never part with it. It is just that we also like having new experiences with other skiboard personalities. The 105 will always be a favourite of many riders.

BTW: comprimise = does it all well when it comes to the 105

[sempai]

I think one thing scaring me off the 105's is that I never see anybody passionately advocating for them on this board. Is it me, or is all the love reserved for the Condors, ALPs, or KTP's? Where are the hardcore Revolt fans? The best I hear about them is that they're a good "compromise." Sounds more like an arranged marriage than a love affair!I'm sure there are fans of the Revolts on here. I remember Valmorel saying in a post that he preferred the ALPs over the Revolts for some reason. His opinion on the Revolts is why I have never pulled the trigger on buying a pair. He has expressed his love for the ALPs and especially for the 120's before. I feel the same about those two sets of boards. I love them both. I have bought and sold over a dozen sets of boards over the 10+ years that I have been skiboarding. I went from riding 90 cm LINE Five-Os and 98 cm LINE MNPs to the 120s. You want to talk about a huge leap. I hated the 120s at first, and sold them right away. I eventually bought another pair and another after that. I learned to quickly love the 120s once I gave them a chance. The 120s are something special. I'll never go without a pair now.

[hans]

Good point Slow. I'm sure you don't hear as much about the Revolts because they have been around for the longest time and the newer boards are what people are talking about. It's probably the "classic" that is being modified and tweaked into the DLP's, KTP's and Condors of today.

The Revolts actually sound perfect for what I'm looking for and I'm 95% sold on making it my first R8 board. Sempai, like you I hope to pick up several boards over the years and have a lot of choices based on the conditions and my mood!

[JPARK]

It's all personal preference

I rode Revolt, BWP, KTP, ALP(DLP), Tansho, Rocket(Maryjane). Pretty much most of R8 model except condor.

Revolt
I started with Revolt. I loved it. All-around mountain skiboards.
I enjoyed it as much as other skiboards. I think this is very good intro skiboard to new comers. Once you get used to this board, you'll look for other boards to feel the different riding styles. but there's nothing wrong with Revolt.

KTP
Now I prefer KTP because I feel so much more aggressive with them. Carving feels great with KTP. It goes through anything. Also, I liked the shorter length for better maneuverability. but if you're up for fast speed, go with longer skiboards (or just a regular ski). I was having hard time following my skier and snowboarder friends. But again this also depends on how you ride 'cause I've seen Kirk Pro flying down with KTP.... maybe i need to get some weight!!

Tansho.
Very short so I had all the control in the world. I loved it. but when you go on a jump or if your balance isn't perfect you'll fall on rail.
I could do most of ground tricks that I wanted to do so easily though.
I love it for ground tricks but not for big airs.

BWP
I found this to be between tansho and KTP. perfect length for me to do ground tricks, airs, rails and also carving. Carving on KTP feels so much aggressive and better though. Just like Fourdown said, this also works on Powder. It all depends on how you ride it.

ALP(DLP)
felt like little more regular ski than skiboard to me. It was fast but hard to control due to it's length. but once I start to hit a big air, i'll prefer this.

so it's all about how you wanna ride.
people like me have more than 1 skiboards because we wanna switch between skiboards depending on how we wanna ride on that day.

Summary
Speed: longer=faster
Maneuverability: shorter=better
Stability: Landing=longer
Powder=broader

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[Dave Bloom]

Well put Jeaho.

[valmorel]

I remember Valmorel saying in a post that he preferred the ALPs over the Revolts for some reason. The 120s are something special. I'll never go without a pair now.

Now, please understand this is just MY opinion, and others will not agree, but put simply, I just find these longer boards way less tiring to ride. I dont ride Park at all, so none of my time on the hill is spent stationary, 'watching'. I ride 'All Mountain', so I am on the go all day long. The difference between 105 and 110 in terms of how tiring the boards are is much greater than 5cm would suggest, yet almost none of the maneuverability is lost. The 120 is another whole world in all mountain terms, but I understand is not at issue here.
Also consider binding options. It is fair to argue that if you intend to use fixed bindings, then maybe the shorter boards are less of a risk. For release (Spruce Riser) it does not matter.
This coming season I will be working at the Condor, hoping to learn to love it as much as my ALPs and especially, my 120s.
It is a while now since I owned a pair of 105s. Somehow they leave me wishing for more..................