jjue
11-06-2010, 10:08 AM
I already have the 2010 Revel8 Receptor binding and love it . It is my favorite non release skiboard binding and I own Bomber Elite 2 , Zeros and SnowJam Extreme 2 , and Line ff pros as well . Slow and I decided we needed a 2011 Revel8 Receptor binding to test our new Backcountry Touring Kit components and so we decided to get one, even though both of us have the 2010 version. We discovered that the new 2011 Revel8 Receptor binding needed to be used with a lift kit to allow proper clearance for the backcountry binding components so we got that too. Slow tested out all the backcountry components on the 2011 Revel8 Receptor binding with the lift kit installed and then sent off the binding and lift kit to me for on snow testing .
Here is a link to the Backcountry touring kit .
http://www.skiboardsonline.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=10461
I have been very curious at how shaving off 3mm of metal on the new Receptor binding, it’s slightly lower stack height , and lighter weight would feel in terms of performance . I wondered how the 2010 and 2011 versions compared . I also wondered about how the lift kit would feel underfoot and if it would help performance or instead interfere with a tight coupling of the board to binding.
We have had a heat wave over the last week and the snow at Boreal has been rapidly melting away . They did advertise one more day of riding on Friday from 900am to 900pm on 2 lifts .. so I stole away from work at 345pm and headed up there for some on snow testing. The Binding tests were done on Condors with Full Tilt Booter boots.
Here are the results .
2010 vs 2011 Receptor . I rode with one on each foot . Both the 2010 and the 2011 bindings are very light , but the 2011 feels lighter yet ! It is the lightest skiboard binding I have ever used and really feels like you are riding on a bare skiboard ! very nice. Performance is equal between the 2010 and 2011 bindings. I do not notice the 3mm difference in height at all . Coupling board to binding is fantastic and equal in both models .
2011 Receptor with lift kit . The three pads go on with the supplied long screws very easily . Screwing down the screws feels very secure and tight . The pads all compress down and become one unit with no sliding between the pads Underfoot , you immediately notice that you are significantly higher off the board . The two extra pads do add extra weight . Skating with the riser on the big wide Condor is no different then without . Going downhill , immediately you notice that it is easier to get proper edge angles and carve at slow speeds then with the standard binding , the interface seems very firm and not sloppy in any away . There definitely seems that there is a more cushioned ride but without losing road feel . Overall , a very nice feel with the riser with advantages except for the extra weight .
2011 Receptor with Lift kit on one foot, 2011 Receptor without lift kit on the other .
This is an odd experiment that I have not done before , one boot is 27mm off the deck and the other 37mm off the deck . I immediately notice , of course , the height difference but the other thing is the weight difference , the 2 extra pads do add weight .
Ok ,how about carving ? On slow speeds , there is an increased ability to get nice edge angles with the riser, carving is easier and more precise at slow speeds .
But here is the rub if you are aggressive , go faster, even on a low angle slope you can get the big fat Condor right over easily with the standard binding . In fact, riding more aggressively , magic happens and the different riser heights disappear and I feel like I am riding on equal height risers again !
Backcountry Touring Kit .
The Backcountry touring parts are super easy to fit right on the binding . The front lever is replaced with a specially machined lever to allow it to rotate and use as a heel elevator for climbing . For resort use I just leave that lever in place . The special rear toggle assembly telemark cable bushing comes already installed on its own smaller sized sole plate and for resort use , I just swap the sole plate and telemark assembly for the stock sole plate and bale.
Screws and one, two and three pad assembly
Slow and I have discovered that an M6 1x 20mm flat head stainless steel machine screw is what is necessary to use a 2 pad lift . The lift kit comes with 25mm screws for the 3 pad assembly and the stock binding comes with the shorter screws for the one pad assembly . Stainless metric screws may be hard to fine .. and I got some zinc plated ones at Home Depot to test the 2 pad lift and they work fine .. but I have ordered some stainless ones from a marine online supplier . Stainless screws are better to avoid corrosion . I did not get to ride the 2 pad lift but that may be my ultimate compromise . gives me some lift but saves on weight over the three pad assembly . Either a two pad or three pad lift is required to use the Backcountry touring kit on the Receptor 2011 binding. .
Set back options :
Both the 2011 and the 2010 offer me a full 4cm set back option with my Mondo 29.5 ski boots (size 11.5) . The full set back is obtained by using the front most binding holes to attach the binding moving the rear heel plate all the way back and attaching the heel plate with one screw rather than the double screw .. using the rearmost screw .
Conclusion:
Kudos to Greco with coming up with a superb skiboard binding to match with the best skiboards on the planet ( Revel8) ! It has the lightest weight of any skiboard binding and believe me you notice that right away , vapor light on your feet . Yet despite being light, the bindings are super rigid and have a very tight connection of board to binding . It is the only skiboard binding on the market that has three stack height levels available with the optional lift kit to fine tune carving and provide some suspension to the ride. They offer the largest boot range adjustment in the market , and equal the Zeros in offering the most set back options of any skiboard binding on the market . The Receptor binding is also the only skiboard binding on the market with an available retro fit backcountry touring kit to allow users to climb with their skiboards on their feet in the backcountry.
Besides that, they are absolutely stunning to look at , and you can find the perfect color combo to match with your skiboard ! Fine job , G!
Here are some pics :
“Fail Tilt” Booters in 2011 Receptor binding set up in most rear mounted position with full 10mm Lift kit installed. ( ps. My binding has crampon screws and special touring kit lever from the backcountry touring kit)
ps. Lots of the park riders are on Full tilt booters and I got some nice comments on my “gangsta “ spray paint job on my Booters as well as my Condors .. ( are those Line skiboard? : nah , revel8 , man those look great for the park , do you ride them in the park :nah it would land me in the hospital .. .. hey how much are those things, where can you get them ? - 300 bucks, SBOL .. oh that’s not bad ..) ;)! …
. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l88/jjue/IMG_1740.jpg
Here is a comparo picture of the stock binding with one pad and the three pad set up
Bindings are set back all the way , which is the reason for only one screw attaching the rear sole plates.
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l88/jjue/IMG_1742.jpg
Here are screws to use for 1 , 2 and 3 pad set up , the middle size screws you need to purchase on your own , the other two sizes come with the stock binding and lift kit .
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l88/jjue/IMG_1745.jpg
Here is the touring kit binding piece .. just unscrew the sole plate and remove the stock sole plate and bale and screw on the touring binding with it’s own sole plate ..
Ps . the touring binding sole plate even when screwed in with two screws allows the full 4cm set back because the toggle arms stretch backwards more then the standard bale . When switching from the touring binding to the resort binding .. I do not have to touch the front sole plate and just adjust the postion of the rear sole plate a bit . Really easy going from tour mode to resort mode.
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l88/jjue/IMG_1744.jpg
The black 2011 Receptors look mighty fine on my original Condor !
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l88/jjue/IMG_1743.jpg
Here is a link to the Backcountry touring kit .
http://www.skiboardsonline.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=10461
I have been very curious at how shaving off 3mm of metal on the new Receptor binding, it’s slightly lower stack height , and lighter weight would feel in terms of performance . I wondered how the 2010 and 2011 versions compared . I also wondered about how the lift kit would feel underfoot and if it would help performance or instead interfere with a tight coupling of the board to binding.
We have had a heat wave over the last week and the snow at Boreal has been rapidly melting away . They did advertise one more day of riding on Friday from 900am to 900pm on 2 lifts .. so I stole away from work at 345pm and headed up there for some on snow testing. The Binding tests were done on Condors with Full Tilt Booter boots.
Here are the results .
2010 vs 2011 Receptor . I rode with one on each foot . Both the 2010 and the 2011 bindings are very light , but the 2011 feels lighter yet ! It is the lightest skiboard binding I have ever used and really feels like you are riding on a bare skiboard ! very nice. Performance is equal between the 2010 and 2011 bindings. I do not notice the 3mm difference in height at all . Coupling board to binding is fantastic and equal in both models .
2011 Receptor with lift kit . The three pads go on with the supplied long screws very easily . Screwing down the screws feels very secure and tight . The pads all compress down and become one unit with no sliding between the pads Underfoot , you immediately notice that you are significantly higher off the board . The two extra pads do add extra weight . Skating with the riser on the big wide Condor is no different then without . Going downhill , immediately you notice that it is easier to get proper edge angles and carve at slow speeds then with the standard binding , the interface seems very firm and not sloppy in any away . There definitely seems that there is a more cushioned ride but without losing road feel . Overall , a very nice feel with the riser with advantages except for the extra weight .
2011 Receptor with Lift kit on one foot, 2011 Receptor without lift kit on the other .
This is an odd experiment that I have not done before , one boot is 27mm off the deck and the other 37mm off the deck . I immediately notice , of course , the height difference but the other thing is the weight difference , the 2 extra pads do add weight .
Ok ,how about carving ? On slow speeds , there is an increased ability to get nice edge angles with the riser, carving is easier and more precise at slow speeds .
But here is the rub if you are aggressive , go faster, even on a low angle slope you can get the big fat Condor right over easily with the standard binding . In fact, riding more aggressively , magic happens and the different riser heights disappear and I feel like I am riding on equal height risers again !
Backcountry Touring Kit .
The Backcountry touring parts are super easy to fit right on the binding . The front lever is replaced with a specially machined lever to allow it to rotate and use as a heel elevator for climbing . For resort use I just leave that lever in place . The special rear toggle assembly telemark cable bushing comes already installed on its own smaller sized sole plate and for resort use , I just swap the sole plate and telemark assembly for the stock sole plate and bale.
Screws and one, two and three pad assembly
Slow and I have discovered that an M6 1x 20mm flat head stainless steel machine screw is what is necessary to use a 2 pad lift . The lift kit comes with 25mm screws for the 3 pad assembly and the stock binding comes with the shorter screws for the one pad assembly . Stainless metric screws may be hard to fine .. and I got some zinc plated ones at Home Depot to test the 2 pad lift and they work fine .. but I have ordered some stainless ones from a marine online supplier . Stainless screws are better to avoid corrosion . I did not get to ride the 2 pad lift but that may be my ultimate compromise . gives me some lift but saves on weight over the three pad assembly . Either a two pad or three pad lift is required to use the Backcountry touring kit on the Receptor 2011 binding. .
Set back options :
Both the 2011 and the 2010 offer me a full 4cm set back option with my Mondo 29.5 ski boots (size 11.5) . The full set back is obtained by using the front most binding holes to attach the binding moving the rear heel plate all the way back and attaching the heel plate with one screw rather than the double screw .. using the rearmost screw .
Conclusion:
Kudos to Greco with coming up with a superb skiboard binding to match with the best skiboards on the planet ( Revel8) ! It has the lightest weight of any skiboard binding and believe me you notice that right away , vapor light on your feet . Yet despite being light, the bindings are super rigid and have a very tight connection of board to binding . It is the only skiboard binding on the market that has three stack height levels available with the optional lift kit to fine tune carving and provide some suspension to the ride. They offer the largest boot range adjustment in the market , and equal the Zeros in offering the most set back options of any skiboard binding on the market . The Receptor binding is also the only skiboard binding on the market with an available retro fit backcountry touring kit to allow users to climb with their skiboards on their feet in the backcountry.
Besides that, they are absolutely stunning to look at , and you can find the perfect color combo to match with your skiboard ! Fine job , G!
Here are some pics :
“Fail Tilt” Booters in 2011 Receptor binding set up in most rear mounted position with full 10mm Lift kit installed. ( ps. My binding has crampon screws and special touring kit lever from the backcountry touring kit)
ps. Lots of the park riders are on Full tilt booters and I got some nice comments on my “gangsta “ spray paint job on my Booters as well as my Condors .. ( are those Line skiboard? : nah , revel8 , man those look great for the park , do you ride them in the park :nah it would land me in the hospital .. .. hey how much are those things, where can you get them ? - 300 bucks, SBOL .. oh that’s not bad ..) ;)! …
. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l88/jjue/IMG_1740.jpg
Here is a comparo picture of the stock binding with one pad and the three pad set up
Bindings are set back all the way , which is the reason for only one screw attaching the rear sole plates.
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l88/jjue/IMG_1742.jpg
Here are screws to use for 1 , 2 and 3 pad set up , the middle size screws you need to purchase on your own , the other two sizes come with the stock binding and lift kit .
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l88/jjue/IMG_1745.jpg
Here is the touring kit binding piece .. just unscrew the sole plate and remove the stock sole plate and bale and screw on the touring binding with it’s own sole plate ..
Ps . the touring binding sole plate even when screwed in with two screws allows the full 4cm set back because the toggle arms stretch backwards more then the standard bale . When switching from the touring binding to the resort binding .. I do not have to touch the front sole plate and just adjust the postion of the rear sole plate a bit . Really easy going from tour mode to resort mode.
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l88/jjue/IMG_1744.jpg
The black 2011 Receptors look mighty fine on my original Condor !
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l88/jjue/IMG_1743.jpg