Alright.. Summit vs Revel

[AnarchyAo]

Summit Nomad's or Revel8's?

Which one do you think is generally a better all around board?

[Torck]

Revel 8 hands down.

[TreeLover]

Def revel8...wider tips and tails for powder, little bit more length for powder, speed, and stability, sidewall for better carving than most other skiboards, better price, and I think more trustworthy since SBOL doesn't sell any sub-par boards and skiboards.com does.

[Roussel]

summits nomads are sidewall construction as well.

[TreeLover]

Originally posted by Roussel
summits nomads are sidewall construction as well.
Ya I know but that's one of the "selling points" of the revel8...

[lookatmyburns]

What about the summit custom 110's? How do they compare to the revel8's? Skiboards.com's info on the custom 110 is very thorough and REALLY builds up the quality of the boards... anyone ridden them?

[kirk]

I'd say ask Valmorel. He's probably the only one who will get to ride both to compare any time soon.

[SBtx82]

Idk about the Nomads but the Revel8s have a 2 year warranty and knowing Greco he'll stick to it. For him the customer is always right and if you have a problem he'll do whatever it takes to make you happy.

[zenderfall]

Summit Custom 110's and Summit Nomads have something that the Revel8's don't have:

graphite sintered bases

Aside from that, all three of those above boards are more or less equal in the "elite" class of skiboards.

Personally though, I'd get the Revel8's because of Greco and SBOL's excellent customer service, fast delivery, and 2-year warranty.

[valmorel]

I think you may be wrong Zen? My Revolts sure do have sintered graphite bases. Beautifully prepared too, with no stringy areas common to sint, and no highs or hollows. Full edge support too, with the body coming right out to the extremes of the edges. edges are properly sharp with no grind marks right round the board, and are 2mm, not 1.5 as in some cheaper boards.
Boy do they suck up wax too.

[zenderfall]

Looks like I'll have to purchase a set to find out.

= )

I didn't see anything about the Revolts "not" having them, so I assumed they didn't.

BTW since you own BOTH the Summit 110's and the Revel8 Revolts, which do you like more? (aside from the "graphic look" of the board)

[valmorel]

Oh boy Zen, that is something of a leading question! Firstly, at 160lbs I am a bit marginal for the 110 Stiff. I can ride them ok, but I have to push them harder than I like. If I were about 180/190 I would be getting into their zone more. As a park board they are terrific, but for riding all day long, I would find them tiring. The 110 soft (which I also have) is a very different board, much more suited to my weight and the way I like to ride. The Revel8 is much closer to the 110 soft, though a little stiffer. The poplar core has a more springy feel than the 110, so it feels less well damped/more lively. Weight difference is only small, in favour of the Revel8. I like both of these boards a lot, but as to a preference, it is a bit early to tell. I will be spending the whole week of Jan 21st on in the Alps riding all day every day, and by the end of it will PROBABLY have a preference.
The most dramatic thing is how much better these slightly longer boards are. It is out of all proportion to the minimal increase in length. They all need to be ridden flat foot or slightly on the heel to control the extra support in the tails, but the overall performance is just awesome. Why on Earth does anyone ever buy skis?

[skunkboy]

I'll know how the Nomad 99's ride in a few days... I've got a pair on the way.

[PedroUK]

Hello Valmorel,

I know that the difference between extruded and sintered is obvious, but how can you tell if a sintered base has got graphite added? Or teflon for that matter (as in some sbowboards). I cannot see any difference.

I will be in Lech/St Anton for a week starting 28th Jan and somewhere (prob Courchevel) towards the end of Feb. It would be good to hook up if possible. I have Custom 110's (stiff) and Spruce 120's both of which I have yet to ride. I must admit that I am getting a bit worried that the Custom 110's might be too stiff for me, although I am about 180lb and do like to ride hard. Still, at least I have a choice!

As for why anyone bothers buying skis anymore I just don't know. I use to ski for years before skiboarding and will not go back. I do go out with other skiers and although they are surprised at what a skiboard can do, ie everything that a ski can and more, they have not been interested. However, when I showed them the Custom 110's and the Spruce 120's they took much more interest - to the point where a few would like to have a go.

[valmorel]

I too have had much better response from skiers to the 110 and the 120. Loads of guys tried the 120 at Xscape a month or so back, and they were all blown away. They were all skiers, but I made the condition that they could not use their poles. It was fun watching them after, going back to their skis and trying THAT without poles! Nothing booked for Feb so far, but a trip to Courch sounds good. 3V is my favourite area anyway. For "ski till you drop" it cant be beaten.
At 180 you are well into the window for the stiff 110. I think you will really enjoy them, and I am interested to read your reviews of both boards when you get back. If you get bored in St. Anton, take the bus to Zurs and do the Itinere unpisted route to Lech. The bus juorney is short, 30 mins or so, and the run takes about 90 mins. Its HUGE on skiboards, with only a short 100m bit where you have to skate slightly uphill. You can get the bus at the bottom of the slope in Lech right back to St. Anton. Best snow in Europe at the moment is in Arlberg region so you are on a sure thing.

[allz]

Originally posted by valmorel
I too have had much better response from skiers to the 110 and the 120. Loads of guys tried the 120 at Xscape a month or so back, and they were all blown away. They were all skiers, but I made the condition that they could not use their poles. It was fun watching them after, going back to their skis and trying THAT without poles! Nothing booked for Feb so far, but a trip to Courch sounds good. 3V is my favourite area anyway. .....
hey Valmorel, i will be at 3 Vallees - in Les Manuires from 18th to 25th February!!!!

some ideas?

[valmorel]

Sounds good...........ever been there before allz?

[allz]

Originally posted by valmorel
Sounds good...........ever been there before allz?

nope - prev. time Italy - Madonna Di'Campiglio.. (known as Italy Trip 2005 - february) , before that - year 2004 - Austria - somewhere in midle class resort, and year 2003 Romanian Karpaty, that was neat - oldschool tracks, oldschool resort, TAXI drive from HOTEL to center (5min) 0.45 $ !!! :D

so - this year we take a big shot, Les 3 Vallees... just Les Manuires is cheaper than Meribel, and we found good place, 100m from the 4 chair lifts so - nice !

And - Olimpics, we hope to get for 1 days, just see how it is -OLIMPICS !

whats your plans?

[valmorel]

Switzerland week after next, but nothing further aranged so far. Maybe I will come show you round 3V, show you some of the hidden off piste stuff, best powder places, steeps, best beer..........

[allz]

Originally posted by valmorel
Switzerland week after next, but nothing further aranged so far. Maybe I will come show you round 3V, show you some of the hidden off piste stuff, best powder places, steeps, best beer..........

woow - that COULD be very very nice ;) !

[PedroUK]

Hello Valmorel,

Yes, I intend to write a big-ish review of the Custom 110's and the Spruce 120's when I get back. I am hoping that there will be some fresh snow so that I can test in powder too. I really need knee deep stuff at least, but this will obviously depend on the weather.

The Custom 110's are stiff and the only way to do powder will be to ride the tails. I have done this is in past with my old skiboards and it works, but is not my favoured style.

The Spruce is more interesting . I believe that the extra length, soft flex and lively poplar wood core will be suitable for another method of riding powder - I will try and explain. Think of the skiboards as a bow and the rider an arrow. By weighting both skiboards almost equally energy is built up like pulling a bow. Realease by unweighting and the rider/arrow will 'pop' towards the surface allowing a turn to be made. Weight ever so slighly towards the tails when you 'pop' allows the tips to come up and forward towards the surface of the snow further aiding the turn. Weighting down also compresses the powder underneath the board forming a relatively solid platform from which to 'pop'. This is only possible with a long-ish flexable board as there is not much support from powder to enable the flex. Timing is critical - get out of step and a face plant will result. I also believe that a center stance will make this easier as it is like pulling a bow from the center which will give more power for the 'pop'. In the past I have used this method with skis (old long thin skis too) with great results. In skiing you can also do this on a hard piste. In this case it is commonly called dolphining. Done well the skier can literally jump into the air from a smooth piste.

I will see if I can get to the 3V at the end of Feb. I have a friend that lives out there - lucky bu5t@rd!

[bobson]

i'd be up for that if your going valmorel

would be good to go with skiboarders for a trip for a change

3 vallees rocks!

went 3 years ago, my 1st season on m7's and we had so much powder it was a blast

nice parks

just stay away from the flats

[valmorel]

PedroUK..............somewhere on here you will find a review I did of the 120 where I explain that "popping" the tails works really well with them, even on hard pack. It also works with the 110 and the Revolt on hardpack, but you have to be a bit more carefull about balance, and I think Greco has ridden the Mix/Epic 110 this way with good results. Its a very exciting way to ride hardpack because it demands total concentration.

[PedroUK]

Valmorel,

What you describe sounds more like an ollie. Dolphining, or a dolphin turn, is more like exterme weighting and unweighting where the energy is build up in the whole board, rather than just in the tails like an ollie.

Bit of snow forecast for the Alps in the next couple of days. Hope that your trip is good.