old guy wants to learn tricks

[cconnor]

Oh dear,

I think i have made a big mistake.....

I've skiied for about 25 years now but am young at heart and have always loved the extreme sports. Last year I saw ski-boards and thought they looked *the* most fun I could have on snow. I dont like snowboards - i got way to many bruises from trying to use the things...

So... to the point. I recently bought a pair of Slamon snowblades and from reading this forum - everyone hates them. I guess the shop sold me a dummy but they said they were my best bet....

So, guys. I need help. I'm sure I will pick up the basics quickly but I would love to know a few simple tricks to get me past the idiot stage. Anyone willing to help an old guy...

please dont just tell me names of tricks - I have no idea what they mean...

[865rolla]

this tip is more important than any trick tip you'll ever be given: STAY FLUID, RELAXED, AND FLOAT INTO EVERY MOVEMENT YOU DO as much as possible. your jump shouldnt feel like a rocket, you should feel like you're gliding/floating. some tricks are not possible while being stiff. such as wrap arounds & harder switchups in rollerblading. believe me, i was stiff for a long time on skates, learned to loosen up and i became more confident because of it. I could do more tricks too. Same with skiboarding.. stay loose from the start. rollerblades may help you to learn tricks because they react almost the same, they're lighter, you can control your speed much easier, and they're more manueverable. i've been aggro rollerblading 2 years, picked up most my tricks on skiboards off of kicker ramps by the second day.


easy to hard, some may be mixed up:
180
half cab (fakie 180)
grabs - don't worry about names... basic ones are mute/indy (left & right outside grabs), stale (pulling calfs horizontal and grabbing the bottom ski with the outside arm), don't do rockets (grab the tips of both with both hands), judo/japan/lui kang (i don't keep up with those, i get them confused), dunno the name (reach over and grab the outside of the opposite ski in front of your knees)
360
full cab (fakie 360)
grab 180
abstract (cross legs under you and pull knees up, hold em without using your hands)
abstract 180
grab 360 (at this point, you will know whether fakie or forward 360s feel better, when i say a spin, it might be done just as easily riding fakie - it depends on the person)
540
abstract 360 (if you can do every trick up to here, you don't need to worry about basic trick lists anymore)
grab 540
abstract 540
720, etc.

I don't flip, so i don't know where it fits in there. could someone tell him where certain flips fit in where?

I won't include grinds in here, because they require a different type of balance & manueverability. someone can make a list of grinds for you. if you are real interested in it, i could throw one together. otherwise, i think you should be straight with the ones above

basic grind: frontside or backside (just jump and turn sideways onto the rail with the middle of your boots over the rail) - keep your skis shoulder width apart or so and keep your weight centered. whatever you do, don't lean back on the back foot, it'll slide out. frontside = jump and turn toward the rail, backside = jump and turn so your back is facing the rail.

[Greco]

hey let's put together a comprehensive trick list. post all the tricks you know, with definitions, including rail trix (i haven't seen this before) and i'll compile it and post it on SBOL. Person who posts the most tricks WITH clear and concise definitions gets a free copy of Frontside's Skiboarding Tips and Trix Video.

Welcome 'old guy', you've come to the right place, most of the core guys on this board are the best freestyle skiboarders in the world.

G

[865rolla]

how are we going to post them though? people will just end up copying others ideas and adding to them... how about emailing them to you?

[McShane]

before reading your post Greco, i was about to say that 865man is missing slides/rail tricks...
but i guess there was one site with pretty extensive trick descriptions. i just cannot recall which one was it. could be the italian one, or skiboardgeneration. i dunno...

[McShane]

oh, yeah, here it is: http://marcolo86.topcities.com/tricks.html

babel.altavista.com provides pretty lame-ass translation. somebody should stumble thru it, or Marcolo should translate it himself...

[CrazyDave]

I think this list (or parts of it) were originally posted on Line's website sometime ago and since has been floating around there for awhile. I think the link McShane posted was copied from this list. I editted it for some grammar and content. The entire list can be here:

http://chris_64_impala.tripod.com/skiboardtrickguide.htm


SPINS- They are some of the easiest tricks you can do. The faster you go off a jump the more rotations you can do while in the air. All of the spins could be done either facing forward or backward. 180, and 360 can easily be done on the ground without a jump.

180°- Jump up into the air and complete half a rotation. If you started facing forward you will land facing back, and vice versa.

270°- This is usually done in the half pipe or quarter pipe. Start by moving almost parallel to the edge of the half pipe and jump into the air landing perpendicular to the edge of the half pipe. In the quarter pipe you would start by going straight off the jump and land with the skiboards parallel to the edge of the jump. If you rotate in natural direction up the slope its called Alley-Oop 270.

360°-Jump up into the air and complete a full rotation. If you started facing forward you will land facing forward. If you start facing back, you will land facing back, its called Fakie 360.

540°-Jump up into the air and complete one and a half rotations. If you started facing forward you will land facing back, and vice versa. Fakie applies to this trick.

720°-Jump up into the air and complete two full rotations. If you started facing forward you will land facing forward. If you start facing back, you will land facing back. Fakie applies to this trick.

900°-Jump up into the air and complete two and a half rotations. If you started facing forward you will land facing back, and vice versa. Fakie applies to this trick.

1080°-Jump up into the air and complete three full rotations. If you started facing forward you will land facing forward. If you start facing back, you will land facing back. Fakie applies to this trick.

1260°-Jump up into the air and complete three and a half rotations. If you started facing forward you will land facing back, and vice versa. Fakie applies to this trick.

Flat Spin-Jump up into the air and begin doing a 360° and drop your back and shoulders so that you are parallel to the ground. By this point you have completed half a rotation. Twist your hips and bring your head up to bring your feet down for the landing. If you started facing forward you will land facing forward. If you start facing back, you will land facing back. Fakie applies to this trick.

Flat Spin 540°- Same as above except hold the spin a little bit longer and add a half a twist to land backwards. Fakie applies to this trick however is very difficult.


GRABS- Generally they are easy. Some may require bigger jumps. This is a very simple way to add a lot of style to your riding. The following tricks are supposed to be done in the air. All grabs can be done during a spin.

Mute- Once you are in the air, bend both knees and lift them towards your chest. With right hand grab the middle outside edge of the left skiboard and pull both skiboards to the right side. Can be done opposite hand opposite side.

Method- Once in the air, tuck legs in. Grab the top of the left ski boot with right hand. For extra style points stick out left arm into the air. Can be done opposite hand opposite side.

Mute Cross- Once you are in the air, bend both knees and lift them towards your chest. With right hand grab the middle outside edge of the left skiboard and pull both skiboards to the right side. Cross skiboards while in the air. Can be done opposite hand opposite side.

Safety- This is the easiest and most common grab. Bend both knees and lift them up towards chest. With your right hand grab the right edge of the right skiboard. You can also grab the left edge with the left hand or both edges with both hands. If you do this grab during a spin it's called Bio-180, Bio-360...

Stiffy- Once in the air, extend both legs forward, and lock your knees. With right hand grab the outside of right skiboard. Can be done opposite hand opposite side.

Cross Stiffy- Once in the air, extend both legs forward, and lock your knees. With right hand grab the outside of left skiboard. Can be done opposite hand opposite side.

Cross Rocket- Once in the air, extend both legs forward, and lock your knees. With the right hand, grab the tip of the left skiboard. Can be done opposite hand opposite side.

Flying Fish- Once you are in the air, bring both knees toward chest. Extend your right leg and lock it. With right hand grab the right edge of the right skiboard. Can be done opposite hand opposite side.

Cross Flying Fish- Once you are in the air, bring both knees toward chest. Extend your left leg and lock it. With right hand grab the right or left edge in front of binding of the left skiboard. Can be done opposite hand opposite side.

Fishbrain- Once you are in the air, extend the right leg strait in front, locking the knee. Bend your left leg, twist it so its parallel to the ground, so that the left skiboard is parallel with the right leg. With left hand grab the inside of the right skiboard, looks better at the tip. With right hand grab the bottom of left skiboard at binding, under your butt

Stale- Once you are in the air, extend the right leg strait in front, locking the knee. Tuck the left leg under your butt. With right hand grab the middle of the left skiboard. For extra style points, raise your left hand up. Can be done opposite hand opposite side.

Japan- Once you are in the air, Extend the right leg to the right side. Tuck in the left leg, below the right knee. With right hand, reach around right leg and grab the bottom of the left skiboard. Can be done opposite hand opposite side.

Parallel- This requires some good abs. Once in the air, bend both knees towards chest. With right hand, reach over left thigh and grab the outside edge of the left skiboard.

Tail Grab- Bend both knees keeping skiboards parallel to the ground and grab the back tip of the right skiboard with right hand. Can be done opposite hand opposite side.

Lean- Half pipe or quarter pipe trick. Once in the air, arch your back to the right side. With right hand grab the outside edge of the right skiboard. Can be done opposite hand opposite side.

Tail Grab- Once you are in the air, bend both knees and grab the back tip or the right skiboard with the right hand. Can be done opposite hand opposite side.

[CrazyDave]

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GRINDS- These are really fun to do but are not very good on the skiboards. You can completely ruin your bases. Grinds can be done on rails, tree branches or even flat surfaces like picnic tables. Most grinds come strait from inline skating, if I am missing a few, let me know.

Frontside- Jump onto the rail and slide facing in the direction you are sliding.

Backside-Jump onto the rail and slide with your back turned in the direction you are sliding.

Rightside - Grind with your right side going forward.

Leftside - Grind with your left side going forward.

Naturalside - Everybody has a natural side to slide on generally speaking if your right handed then you prefer to slide right side forward. You can find this out by telling a person to stand up then look ahead and make sure they don't know that your about to push them just a bit. When you do watch which foot goes forward to stop the fall cause whichever does is their natural foot. So, it is this foot forward that makes a natural grind what it is.

Unnatural - The opposite foot of the above definition.

Farside- Jump onto the rail and land on the "far side" of it and then start grinding. So you were in the air over a part of the rail before you land on it.

H-Grind- Slide on a rail sideways where only the inside edges of the skiboards are touching the rail. The right skiboard is leading and the left skiboard is dragging.

Makio- Slide on right foot, and grab the left foot with your left hand. Best grab is the safety, however a method will add style points.

Fishbrain-Slide on right foot. Stick out your left leg parallel to the ground and grab it with the left hand. Can be done opposite hand opposite side.

Unity- If anyone can do it I would like to see a picture. Slide on the rail so that the skiboards are perpendicular to the rail but are pointed in different directions. The right foot is pointed to the right and the left foot is pointed to the left.

Lowrider- A simple grind where you crouch down bending your knees, so that your butt almost touches the boots. Its more difficult to do it on one foot, with the other sticking strait out.

Christ- Slide on right skiboard. Where the skiboard is parallel to the rail, and the front tip and the back tip are both on the rail. Place the left skiboard on top of the right skiboard, so its perpendicular to it, making an X.

Cowboy (Cab Driver)- Best done on something relatively wide. Grind with your boots on the either side of the log so that only the insides of the boots are touching the log.

Mistrial- Slide on the rail on your right foot so it is pointed forward. Place the left skiboard on the rail, behind the right skiboard, so it is perpendicular to the rail.

Royale- Slide on a rail sideways where the right skiboard inside edge is touching the rail. And the left skiboard outside edge is touching the rail. Bend knees slightly and lean back to enjoy the ride. Can be done opposite hand opposite side.

Miszou- Slide on the rail on your right foot so it is pointed forward. Place the left skiboard on the rail, in front of the right skiboard, so it is perpendicular to the rail.

Acid Soul- Slide on right foot. Where the skiboard is parallel to the rail, and the front tip and the back tip are both on the rail. This does a lot of damage to the skiboards since the whole bottom surface is in contact with the rail.


TRICKS- If its not a spin, a grab or a grind, or a combination of the two or three then it belongs in its own category, right here. Flips are in here. The tricks are supposed to be done in the air unless otherwise noted.

Liu-Kang- Keep the right leg fully extended strait down. Tuck your left leg in and grab it with the left arm. Can be done opposite hand opposite side. This trick can also be done on the ground while spinning, it wouldn't be called Lui-Kang but same idea.

Sollas- Drop your right shoulder in front of you, and begin a 540° rotation. As you rotate on the horizontal axis and moving in the forward direction, gravity comes in and straitens you out for a landing on your feet. While rotating extend your left leg and grab it with your right hand. Tuck your right leg and grab it with your left hand.

Rob Roy- Extend your right leg horizontally in front of you. Tuck your left leg under your butt and grab it with your right hand. Stick out your left hand for extra style points.

Disaster- Doing any trick in the air and landing on the rail. It should make sense.

Yoda- Going to a cross-legged position in the air. Add a couple of grabs for the best crowd pleasers.

Yoda 360°- Going to a cross-legged position in the air while doing a 360° rotation.

Back Flip- Tuck your legs in and lean back. Arch your back, spot the landing and keep your eyes on it until the skiboards touch the snow. This trick is harder on the shorter or narrower skiboards.

Front Flip- Pump your arms up and forward in a semicircular motion and quickly tuck in your legs, to increase the spin rotational speed. The landing is blind. This trick is harder on the shorter or narrower skiboards.

Corkscrew- Drop your right shoulder forward in front of you and begin doing a front flip on a tilted axis with a 180° rotation in the end to land backwards.

Late 360°- Doing a trick in the second half of the jump, most likely on the way down. In this case its a 360°. You can do another trick before you do the late trick.

Misty Flip- Drop your right shoulder in front of you, and begin a 540° rotation. As you rotate on the horizontal axis and moving in the forward direction, gravity comes in and straitens you out for a landing on your feet. It feels like you are always spinning, but from a side looks like you are tumbling out of control.

Nutcracker- Stick your right foot out horizontally in front of you. Bend your left leg back behind your back, so it looks like you are doing a split in the air. Grab one skiboard with one hand and the other with the other hand. I like to grab the right skiboard with the left hand and the left skiboard with the right hand because I can get to the skiboard in the back quicker with my right hand.

McUgly- This can only be done in the half-pipe or quarter-pipe. Approach the wall backwards. Kick you legs up and do a 360° spin upside-down. Put your right hand on the edge of the half-pipe, push of and do a 180° twist to straighten your body out for the landing.

Rim-Flip- Take off the jump backwards and do a quick 180° so you are facing forward. You should be slightly tilted back, drop your right shoulder forward and do a 720°. When you finally turn upside down (during the second twist) spot the landing, your body will be in front of the landing and then rotate so your feet come down. I strongly recommend not trying this unless you are in waist deep powder, because you need a lot of speed to do this successfully.

Rodeo (Bio Flip)- Right off the jump do a quick 90-180° rotation to the right. Drop your right shoulder back to begin doing a back flip. Twist your body to the right to get out of the Rodeo and land on your feet.

Superman- The best place to do this trick is in the half pipe, but it can also be done off jumps. Half-Pipe: Get some speed and go up the wall so your skiboards are very close to parallel to the top of the half-pipe before you pop out. Once you pop out, quickly tuck your legs and arms in and as hard as you can pump your legs back and lock them, and stretch your arms out forward, then finally look down. To get out, quickly tuck your arms and legs in and put the skiboards on the wall of the half-pipe. The momentum will take you out. Jump: Jump up and stretch your body out so it is parallel to the ground. Right when you start coming down for a landing, tuck your legs and arms in, touch your chin to your chest and go a front front flip.

Switchback- Go into a jump backwards. Once in the air, do a back flip. The landing is easy to spot if you arch your back and keep your eyes on it once you spot it.

Airwalk- Walk in the air. Continuously move your right and leg back and forth, so that when one is in front the other is behind. Do a couple of steps, 2-3 with each leg.

Kickout- Tuck your legs in and grab the right skiboard with the right hand. Then before landing do two pumps to the right side with both legs. Can be done opposite hand opposite side.

Fakie Zero Spin Rocket- Go into a jump backwards. Extend both legs out in front of you, so you are looking up the slope. Right before landing backwards look over your shoulder to spot the landing.

Gumby Air- Take both legs as far back as they will go. Grab the right skiboard with the right hand and grab the left skiboard with the left hand. keep both skiboards together. With your hands, pull the skiboards back and up.

Sock-Eyed Salmon- With your hands grab the front tips of the skiboards and do a twist. Your body would be pointing to the left and the skiboard would be pointing a little bit to the right of strait forward.

Carter Flip- Its basically a mix between a 360 misty flip and a cartwheel. All you do is go up to the jump with speed and throw your right shoulder down like you're doing a cartwheel. Then continue doing the cartwheel. The thing you have to do though is turn your head and shoulders a little bit to the left. This will start you rotating and you'll land forward. I suggest, unlike other jumps, to do a mute grab or a safety grab the first time you do this so you get speed in the x, y, and z directions easier. This trick is a lot easier to do tucked. If you mess this up the first time, you won't the second time because you'll learn what you did wrong the first time.

Also, check out http://www.skiboarder.de/Seiten/tricks.html

[cconnor]

Wow,

many thanks to all. I ask for a few basic tricks and end up with hundreds. Should I be able to do all of these after a couple of days? :p

At least I can talk the talk even if I have trouble jumping off the smallest snow flake...

Any other web sites for basic tips - like leaning forward slightly, knees over toes that kind of thing? How to carve a full 360?

Nice to have found this site.

Have fun.

Chris.

[McShane]

Originally posted by cconnor

Any other web sites for basic tips - like leaning forward slightly, knees over toes that kind of thing? How to carve a full 360?


this is what i'd like to see, but it is nowhere published!!! this would be the basis for safe and technical riding, less injuries and state of the art performance on sophisticated tricks

[865rolla]

theres nothin real technical about any of that. let yourself learn & flow with it. if you don't relax & allow yourself to learn on your own, you'll just delay how long it takes. if you know how to rollerblade, everythings just like going down a big roll-in on skates. you have to bend your knees forward and lean your back forward a little bit but not much & just relax. your body will stay over the boards. if you slide back, push your knees forward more. the straighter your knees are, the easier it's going to be to lose control. with bent knees, your body can lean forward and back to control balance. with stiff knees, your body can't lean back and forth easily.

the tutorial that all people need is "how to quit worrying & try what you want to try" :) - that'd be more helpful than anything. i wish i had one of those when i started rollerblading.

to turn around backwards, jump and twist, or push yourself up onto the balls of your feet (this will pull you on your tips some so the edges don't catch) while twisting your body with your hips & some w/ your shoulders. make sure to commit & complete the twist, use your head to turn around facing uphill if it helps. to turn back around, do the same thing but on the heels of your feet (or jump). i usually just jump back around.

how to slide - kick your heels sideways and in front of you and twist halfway to your hips. if you find yourself overtwisting, put more pressure on your toes . you should be on the uphill edges of each skiboard. this is the quickest way to stop. you really have to put pressure in your legs to do this.

how to carve - just kick your heels out to the side and put a little twist to them so the tips of the skis point where you want to go. pushing to the side with both of the skis (on the more uphill edges) will cause you to carve that direction.. now just do it back and forth.

most of your power when jumping comes from the quads & hams (your thigh area). it's a different feeling from skates and shoes to jump because the boots don't flex to your foot well in most cases. you may be able to loosen the forward flex & use more of your calfs to jump. just crouch, push hard off the flat part of your foot or your heels, as your body extends upward, lift your knees up in front of you some to gain more clearance height. when landing, let them drop some so it's easier to land over them. hard to land on something if its in front of you rather than under you. the idea is to lift your feet and keep your skiboards parallel to the slope at all times.

as said by alex, your body follows where your head leads. if you know how to carve, your carve will follow where you want it to go. if you want to turn around 360, you will if you put your mind & your head to it. it's just a hard carve, just stay on it.

i can't think of anything else. anymore particular questions, just ask. i still recommend you go out and try most of the things on your own, especially if you have any previous skate/ski experience.

[GST4Italy]

Since you skied before it should be easy. When I first started I thought it be ridiculously hard until I realized...hey I use to iceskate/rollerblade and snowboard so its easy. It's fun to and more flexiable.

YOUR NEVER TOOO OLD

[McShane]

i'm not saying that i can't figure myself out (i actually do it pretty well :cool: ).

i also started skiing a long time ago (could be some 17 years ago, when i was 5?). at that time there was a lot of theoretical stuff to hear (i was taking skiing classes) to which i paid attention to through the years. actually, the chrestomathy helps not only to do the right thing (i.e. ride), but do it right ;) and skiing "corectly" made me feel better :D :D lol

[865rolla]

i just started skiboarding (first slope sport) this season, but i'm progressing much faster at it than I have any sport so far because it's so similar to rollerblading & i try not to spend as much time listening as i do teaching myself. i can see where it'd be hard to figure it out if you havent done any kinda moving "sport" before though.

i would be freakin out & askin for tips like crazy if i hadn't skiied or rolled before.

i was the same way with rollerblading as you were with skiing. you said you listened to all the theory and all that, as did i till i was 18 when rollerblading. been skating since i was about the same age (around 5 i guess). i couldnt do anything but skate forward and turn in my driveway up until i was 17. i was always too scared and wanted the exact theory behind how to turn around backwards and how to break and all that stuff. I learned it by listening to theory, as well as my first 4 months of doing tricks... i refused to try a trick until i saw a tutorial on it. However, another kid that started at the same time i did to do tricks learned all the tricks i knew and a couple more within the first two days because he allowed himself to teach himself.

after about 6 months of doing tricks on skates, i ran out of the tutorial list. I was stumped. since then, i've been goin at it hard figuring out tricks on my own, doing what i want to do - not what a trick list says i should. you don't need to know every trick leading up to them, but it will help with experience. i wish i started skating without fear & without theory since the start.

sometimes your body just doesn't do what you want it to, even though the tutorial taught you what you should be doing.

anyway... shows you there's two ways to go, and its your choice... stay on the path of tutorials or stay on your own path.

who would make trick tips & tutorials if everyone did nothing but follow the theory? Where would theory come from if there weren't people that didn't listen to it? the theory follows the man that makes it. keep that in mind, but also remember i do know how that safety bubble feels of following theory, i used to follow all of it. I still follow some when i need it. peace.

[adamlynam]

this conversation is rediculous... sounds like a college course

jeez,
lynam

[865rolla]

i am in college, electrical engineering. technical issues are a part of life. whether you deal with them or not, you shouldn't feel the need to destroy them. without technicalities, we'd still be trying to balance on logs (that fell off trees cuz we couldnt figure out how to cut down trees) while riding down the slopes.

without resolution, all ridiculous posts will remain ridiculous and continue to grow into more ridiculous posts. a problem ain't gonna go away by callin it dumb.

if you dun find the post worth spending time on, why do you spend time on responding to the post?

[Greco]

OK. 865rolla won the video. Thanks for all of your hard work.
rolla send me your name, address and phone number and i'll send your video.

Check out the list below before I publish it to the site and let me know anything that you guys think should be corrected or added. Let's make this the most complete list on the net.

-G

SBOL Tricks List (http://www.skiboardsonline.com/html/tricks.htm)

[adamlynam]

rolla...

why do you spend time responding to my response in which i have responded to and taken time to respond to. the theory in which you have presented simply presents a hypothosis, nowhere near a conclusion of rediculousness. so dont spend time responding to my responses unless your theory is more than a hypothosis.

thank you for your precious time,
and highest, kindest regards,
-adamlynam-

[Roussel]

t-bone - kick out one leg infront of u, wrap the other over the top of the kcied out leg, and grab it with the opposite hand

[J.D.]

Rolla guy... don't mess with Adam Lynam please. He's what you might call "untouchable". That is, he's so much better than you that you can never post anything without showing the utmost respect for his mad skills. If not, we will be forced to steal your skates and paint them pink.

This has been a public service announcement for all those planning on harrassing awesome riders.

[adamlynam]

thanks for the props JD...
who are you??

-lynam

[J.D.]

Heh nobody you know..just another westcoast skier/skiboarder.

[McShane]

Originally posted by adamlynam
this conversation is rediculous... sounds like a college course

jeez,
lynam

apparently you experienced bad times at school, huh
i'm graduating and i feel missing something. :D:D:D

[865rolla]

i apologize if i disrespected you in anyway. not because i fear or hold you at a higher value than anyone else, because i don't. The type of post he made was somewhat similar to how a 13 yr old acts. I am not calling him immature, but my first assumption was that he was a kid. Sorry for reacting as I did.

as for that bull about ppl bowing down to ppl that are better: i'm not gonna hold anyone up on a pedastal to worship, including myself or any pro at anything. people are people, regardless of what tricks they can do. some are weaker in other aspects than others are, while the weak ones are stronger than the others in other ways.

go ahead and paint my skates pink, it'll come off on the first day from cess sliding.

i'm not the only one who should think about who they're dealing with. don't approach me & I won't approach you. sorry if i approached anyone, didn't mean to cause a quarrel. peace.

[Bentfilms]

Life is kind of like a trick-tionary (weird)

Sometimes you land your tricks.... and other times you get worked.... most times you dont know what the hell is going on, and other times, people make fun of you for knowing to much.... FINALLY. The hypothosis witch was presented by Mr. Lynam, was in fact Asymetrical to the theory presented by Mr. Rolla..... You need to think about unity and proximity before trying to create a balance between the ying and yang (adam/rolla)

dont take trick names seriously, just have fun, watch videos (plug plug) and if you see tricks you like, learn them.... dont worry about naming stuff

b

[865rolla]

true that. i hate arguing more than i hate the opposing argument often times. and i hate the judgemental attitude from where i come from (streets/skateparks). on the slopes, for the most part, most people aren't real judgemental.. i run into a few every now and then, but i jus give em the finger & go on. abstract art shouldn't be focused on competition. that's what separates a sport from abstract art. sports are about competition, being better than someone else, a game to see who wins. abstract art is about style and freedom of design.

i suppose it's up to each person to decide whether they're in it for the competition or for the freedom. Just like if you're gay, no one wants to hear about you bragging about being gay. If I'm a competitive person, someone who isn't doesn't want to hear my bullshit.

recently, i've gotten away from the whole *i gotta get better than this person, i gotta get more style at this, if not i'm going to get frustrated* attitude. i've found that i'm nowhere near as happy as when i'm not worrying, thinking, or caring about what anyone says or does. i realized that i'm never going to be on the same level as the people who have been riding for years longer than I have, assuming these people work equally or harder than i do. i'm just happy to one-up myself.

[adamlynam]

you totally have the right attitude rolla....

its about the love....

keep following the path your on

-lynam

[CrazyDave]

Greco,

I think it would be really cool to link each trick on your list with a picture (or video) of someone actually pulling it off. Around here there isn't anyone doing anything impressive on skiboards so I'm on my own when it comes to figuring stuff out. Just a thought...

[Greco]

yeah that's a good idea i'll try to add any pics or vids i have of each trick.