Soul plate

[Jonny W]

I want to get a sould plate for my skiboards but i don't know where to look, i noticed alex was posting about one, i was just wondering where you got yours, and hows it working, i've been doing some decent urban stuff and i wanna get a lil more tech with it, any feed back would be sweet, thanks

Jonny white

[Greco]

Jonny,

The only way to get one is to do what Alex did, make you're own. Line used to make one but not anymore and it really wasn't that good. Alex is pioneering soul plate construction and use for skiboards and i'm sure he'd be happy to help you make you're own.

G

[Jonny W]

Thanks Greco, if you could help me out alex that would be great. just get in touch withj me on here or messenger whitey_96@hotmail.com

[865rolla]

me and alex came up with a design a few weeks ago that he's trying to get manufactured. I haven't seen his posts or emails come in for a few days now, so I don't know what's going on.

we considered several possibilities on the souls, but we found one we think would work well. it will have a royale groove in the soul too, as it may help with acids & pornstars & other tricks.

2" soul, 2" frame wall (vertical plate holding up soul), steel, around a foot long. just find a way to make it. Alex uses his uncle's machines. I don't have the equipment either.

if you come up with good ideas for the plate, email me.

later

[CrazyDave]

Guys,

I'm in a position where I could probably make a handful of plates for those who are interested in one. I'll be back at school at the end of the month and have access to mills, lathes, and CNC's. I'll also have alot of free time since I only have class on tues/thur. Once you guys settle on a final design, shoot me an email. I could get started on getting things set for a small run ASAP. Let me know if this is something you'd be interested in...

[Jonny W]

I'd be stoked on that, i really think this is the new direction of skiboarding.

[jhritz2000]

here i found 1 site that still has some old LINE ones available. hers the site!

http://www.getboards.com/snow/bindings/line/grindplate.html

just thought it might interest someone out there!

[865rolla]

dont bother ordering it from getboards.com

i saw that post somewhere, too. i ordered them a week ago, turns out to be an old version of their website that they never deleted. they just removed the links to the page.

they dont sell it anymore. getboards emailed me telling me my account wasn't charged because they don't carry it anymore.

however, www.d-structure.com sells them still. it's a canadian site, but it's in their shop. i wouldn't recommend it though, you'd be better off making your own. the soul is too small.

we got 3 ppl tryin to put one out for people that want them. we have the design, but are currently choosing materials, as steel was too heavy. give it some time.

[Alex-TRS]

alright status report from the 2nd prototype!!!!!

read : ITS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!

I got it done yesterday in 30 minutes.

bought a piece of steel, got it bent and drilled,
then figured out our design didnt work properly
so I got it cut down a few places and it worked wonders
last nite!

the first idea was to fit the plate under the binding (using
the 4x4 screws of the binding) and going all the way to
the edge of the skiboard. Then raising a 2 1/4 inch
frame wall and then a 2 inch soul area

looks like this from the side :

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the thing is the skiboards arent flat in the middle so the binding
couldn't rest on the soul plate steadily. so we had to go back
to the first prototype where the soul plate is mounted on top
of the binding instead of under.

so I went back to the shop and got it cut. it fit perfect!

basically the improvements over the 1st prototype are as follows :
- wider soul area, easier to lock on
- higher frame wall, easier to lock on
- the frame wall is not starting right over the edge instead
of behing it. This makes it possible to simply throw your
skiboard to the side on the rail/box and once it hits the
frame wall you can get the rail/box in the 90 degree angle
between the soul area and frame wall.

this way the edges never touch the rails while doing souls.
you can easily get onto the soul plate without fear of missing
out and nutting =P

since I had to get the plate cut down after it was bent we had
to cut it using fire...so the edges where it was cut (pretty much
all around the place) are all fucked up and uneven. I though
this would make me stick on rails but damn was I wrong.

Right now Im actually sliding on two little steel stomps on both
edges of the soul area. THis makes very few friction and it slides
like butter and lightning fast. it just feels like on skates.

Right now the plan is to complete this prototype by doing :
1- buffering the edges so its clean
2- paint job so it looks good because raw steel is ugly
3- drill 4 holes (2 on the soul area and 2 on the frame wall)
so I can cut UHMW pieces (plastic) and fit them onto those
2 parts of the soul plate.

having UHMW to slide on will make sure that the plate never
sticks on anything. Metal on metal usually slides nicely but it
can stick once in a while when you get a bad groove,bump or
anything. UHMW is soooo slick. So this would be the ideal
setup.

If I manage to get this done (hopefully withing the next week)
then we'll have the perfect soul plate for skiboarding and our
future will be there!

the only downside right now is the weight....steel is pretty heavy.
Personnally I dont mind this weight because it doesnt even make
much of a difference from the other skiboard once you're wearing
your boots and all. But it could definately be lighter.

next prototype will use the same dimensions (since they are
rocking right now!) but a new, lighter material such as strong
aluminum or mild steel (as my first prototype)

oh and Rolla, didn't get to do the royale groove on the soul
area...this will come later =P but a royale groove with an
UHMW plate could definately work....it would hit metal on
metal so it would slide sick.


this is a drawing I just made of the actual plate with
dimensions and all! have a look =0

note : I use canon M7s with canon TD1 bindings. I also
have Salomon 1080 boots.

the soul area is sitting on the side of my boot with this
current setup (which is perfect) but if your boot is larger
then you might not be able to clip your binding. so these
dimensions are not universal yet =P but they fit perfect
on setups similar to mine.

[Greco]

damn man you are the rail KING!!!!! now let's see some video of you kicking as on this thing.

g

[Alex-TRS]

hahaha yeah....if all goes well I should be hitting stoneham on sunday and hopefully get a few shots...

It'll be even better with the UHMW on the metal chassis..with
that it will never stick and I'll feel alot safer to try sick inline
tricks on skiboards =P

[865rolla]

full cab kind grind would be hot!

[Jonny W]

anyway you could get one made for me, so i can get some shots for the flick on it, i'll get measurments of my set up, hit me back at whitey_96@hotmail.com thanks alot

[Alex-TRS]

we settled on a universal sizing.... well its my actual
dimensions but with slotted holes that can make the plate
move horizontally on the binding.

this will make it fit most width of boards and boots.

once we test the prototypes and they feel good, we'll
start a small production (say, 10 of them) and distribute
them via SBOL.

read the board for further info! =P

[Bentfilms]

alex whats the status on that thing??? you getting any good shots on it??

b

[Alex-TRS]

status is as follows :

- rode past thursday.... but prior to that I didnt ride in like 3-4 weeks due to fucked up schedules and no one to ride with.

-past thursday....one of my M7s broke on me. its not broke broke but the wood behind the binding got weak and the ski flexes like mad...can't hold a landing and can't carve at all on it.

-today I'm expecting my replacement board from Tibor/Greco (it was in montreal last nite so theorically at my house by now)

-going out to ride sunday with vince and maybe some other friends and will most def shoot like mad since all I have shot this season is Tremblant and the so-so stuff from the beginning of the season

as for the plate itself....the UHMW inserts are on it and I managed to try it out twice on thursday before I left because of my broke skiboard....but since my left foot was the one that broke I couldn't control too well and I missed the soul plate once, the other times I got on it easily but it slid weird....

the problem is related to the fact that my home park is run by dumbasses and they took out or misplaced almost all the rails and all I had left to test the soul plate was the 30 foot downrail....that thing is too low for comfort and now really great to do soul grinds on.

so expect a full status report sunday evening =) and footage

[Jordahl]

holy shit. this is something i want to get into to. someone give me an e-mail about this shit snowjam_skiboarder@hotmail.com
if u sell i will buy

[Vitulla]

If im not mistaken their testing it now. But I'm not sure if there gonna go into mass production, but I do know that alex is a cool guy so im sure one way or another he'll get you some when their perfect

[Alex-TRS]

well I managed to FINALLY ride this past sunday.....tested the soul plate with the UHMW plates on it.... WAY too fast...uncontrollable on rails... so I took the UHMW out and used them metal only. it was perfect. the feeling was tight and it felt sturdy.

its fuckin' hard to ride that though... I thought It would be easy to translate rolling into skiboarding with this but its not such an easy task. =P I did a sweet grabbed makio on a 30 foot downrail at Stoneham but thats it for now.

If I manage to ride once more this season I will try more stuff on smaller rails, otherwise I'll try to find a way to produce the plate out of aluminium over the "dead season" and try to sell
some at SBOL for 2004-2005 seaon.

haven't heard from CrazyDave in over a month...wonder what's up with him. he was supposed to look into production using aluminum blocks and machinery....hopefully he's not dead and will get back to me someday and we can figure out a way to manufacture this shit! =)

but there's a great future for my little toy

[Jordahl]

sweeeeet

[865rolla]

Hey Alex, how's the soul business coming along? I haven't talked to yall about it in awhile. I haven't really been posting or riding at all. Mainly because its at the end of the season and it feels soooo good outside to roll. I've been going off lately! Skiboarding has changed my mindset on rollerblading entirely. i realized what made me happy about skiboarding and applied it to rollerblading. my styles gotten 10x better, im looser, happier, more energetic, more solid, and consistent on everything, especially handrails. I can skate for 4-5 hours 3-4 times a week until i get tired. It's great! I haven't felt this good in years.

the things about skiboarding that changed my mindset had nothing to do with the sport of skiboarding. it had everything to do with the following: no one skiboards here but me and my one friend, i dont feel like i need to catch up to any certain skill level, i ride by myself most the time and do only what i want to do. i dont hold myself back or rush myself in any way. if i want to do the trick & theres a 50% chance that I can, i commit & try it.

it's helped me so much. the less i talk & think about tricks i can and want to do - the better i've been getting. i jus go out n roll. when someone wants to skate another spot, instead of settling for it all the time - i call up another friend or two and see if they want to go to a different spot. if they don't and i'm in a good mood, i just go by myself. if im in a lazy mood, i usually go with em or don't go at all tho.

just thought i'd let you know what i've been doin. BEIN FREE! haha... later yall

[tommy]

just thought i would bring this back to light..... so whats going on with these soul plates? are they any good.....

[Alex-TRS]

testing wasn't all that sweet last season.... the prototype I have is way too heavy but the shape is perfect.

I had UHMW sliders which made it way too fast.... and without them directly on metal it's either grippy or perfect.

being alone in this project makes it pretty hard....I'll try to find
time to make a new lightweight prototype this year.

865Rolla was helping me out last year but he just vanished...god knows what happened to him

[tommy]

i dont understand how the work, the obviously come out next to binding right? how high up are they? sorry dont know much about this and want to know more becasue it sounds really good.

[shantz24]

there is a blueprint drawing on page one tommy, all the specs are there.

i see you were using steel and that would be really heavy like you said. id go for a piece of 1/4" aluminum. the stuff is really strong and feather light.

[Jonny W]

you need help testing it and shit, toss one this way i'll kill it.
easy
whitey

[Alex-TRS]

haha I have no problem testing this baby.... the problem is more into "building" it.... I can't do it myself so I need to buy the material ,bend and cut it.

I'll go buy a small sheet of 1/4 aluminium like shantz24 suggested (although that was planned from the start..) and I think my girlfriend's uncle is equipped to bend and cut metal.

I'll keep you guys posted. the design is very damn near perfect to my taste only the weight and sliding speed needs to be resolved. with aluminium that's one thing done...then I'll see if aluminium slides too fast, too slow, etc and add different kinds of plastic sheets underneath the soul area.

and Tommy it works exactly like a skate's soul plate. the Vertical wall of the soul plate is right next to your skiboot (might touch or not depending on width of your particular boot) and then it bends 90 degrees right where your foot's sole is..... so when you're locked onto the soulplate you get the "same" feeling you get when doing soul grinds on skates.... only the stiffness of the skiboot and the length of the skiboards make it that much different.

it's the closest thing to skates on snow as of now though.
hopefully I can get a full working aluminium prototype done b4 snows come down....then find someone with a small rail in his backyard so I can test it LOTS without going into mountains...because when I go riding I don't wanna lose my day testing this.... which happened last year =(

anyways long post, sorry, keep you guys posted.

[shantz24]

yea sorry about that, didnt notice in an old post you mentioned using aluminum. im actually considering an attempt to make one if i ever get a weekend i can go home from school. i have a bunch of scrap aluminum and stuff laying around that would work great. its just finding the time and as long as you dont mind me working off of the same design you have made.

[tommy]

have you considered using plastic like skate soul plates?

[marcolo86]

I don't think it would work...

Plastic can be used on skates because your foot (and therefore weight) is actually on the plastic which eventually is on the rail/wall. Using it on skiboards it's only the small plastic piece supporting the whole weight, and it would snap.

[Jonny W]

shit all this talk, some one make one so i can buy it.

[shantz24]

maybe after this weekend ill have something. just not sure if i want to bend everything or weld it. bending is easy, but my buddy just got a MIG. so we'll see what happens. what do you guys think of using teflon instead of the UHMW? i have couple blocks of stuff sitting at home and im almost certain its teflon, its some sort of plastic. i wish there was some way to make plates like in the old lines to grind perpindicular to the rail locking onto it. but i guess something is better than nothing.

[Jonny W]

the old line set up looks to small and not very inline-ish, i'm thinking about expirmenting with snowboard binding/boot set up, i saw some asian guys rippin um and it looks like a ton more
flexability(souls, porn stars, ect). i'll keep you posted, i'm also trying to make a lighter riser for under the bindings, it shouldn't be hard though.

[shantz24]

yea people are always asking about using snowboard bindings. pretty much everyone agrees they are great for urban stuff but not for the mountain.

[Jonny W]

haha those boards would never see a mountain anyways

[shantz24]

http://www.ski-injury.com/skiboard.htm

i found a pic of the old line soul plate and it looks pretty little. were these all metal? like the underside of the plates?

[Greco]

all aluminum and the underside was no different than the rest, all metal.

i talked to some guys who tried it and it wasn't wide enough to be able to do much. i think that's why alex designed his a lot wider.

g

[bailey]

i have the line plate, ive tried it on some little rails, but im looking for a nice box or something to use it on

i made alex's plate when i was bored in tech class one day, and i gave it to him because i figured i might not use it.. i hope he can make a design that will work slightly better

[kirk]

Jonny, good luck with the snowboard bindings. I used them last year for some street crap and they worked pretty good. I only got souls and miszuos on them, but its a start for sure. Also, the flex of them made it easier to jump onto benches and crap, so you didn't really need to build a jump. I never had any luck on any round rails tho... maybe if i had wider bindings or something...
I put them on my weapons, and the souls felt like inline souls almost. They slid great on these plastic benches and this little square rail id mess around on. Its a pain in the ass taking them off and putting them back on tho, thats the only bad part.

[Alex-TRS]

Tommy : if you read carefully my design is made out of metal but I did screw "soul plates" made out of plastic (UHMV last time) undernearth the soul and on the vertical wall.

but that was sliding way too fast.
Teflon is a good alternative if u ask me..either that or nylon.
it would slide slower and might be the best performing soul plate material. unless aluminium slides good by itself!

so yeah the line soul plate is way too small in all measurements (width,length)

the plate Bailey made me out of aluminium was still too small so that's why I made my own design which seems perfect in my opinion (having as much space as on skates). I only need to build it right! =P

thanks for the input/help/interest guys!

[shantz24]

ok, well i have a few things made. my dad got bored the other day and decided to make two plates to the specs i have him without checking for fit, so i have two plates made that dont work because of my huge boot. i had to make the plate larger that mounts to the boards. so right now there are 3 made. not finished tho, they still need to be drilled for mounting and the edges need rounded and smoothed. but the hard part is done. when i get back to school later today i will try and snap a few pics with my digital.

[Alex-TRS]

awesome man.... out of what are they made?

will be waiting to hear from ya!

[Jeremy Pember]

damn I wanna get one of these. i use to inline and loved to soul grind. i cant wait till u get these done. how much do u think ull charge for them?


"BIOTCH!!"

[shantz24]

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/shantz24/album?.dir=e89f

heres a bunch of pics i just took, and it is 5am so they might not be the best. but they are made from 1/4" aluminum. all one piece. i currently have four of them made. like i said my dad made two earlier this week and they dont clear my wide boots. made two more and they are perfect. they are still a little rough, need finished. i did get some of the corners rounded off. the only thing that went wrong is the bend from the vertical wall to the base that mounts to the binding resulted minute cracks, more like tears in the corners. nothing big tho, i put them on the ground and jumped on them and they didnt even flex. im back at school but when i get home again i will have someone spot weld the small cracks just to be sure. but metal tends to tear like that when making a bend like that so im not too worried about it. whats everyones thoughts?

[Alex-TRS]

those look the same as the last prototype I made out of metal....
only might must be 124235 times heavier =)
I'll go get a sheet of 1 1/4 alum and get them bent and drilled.

looks good mate!

you said you took my measurements to make them right?

[shantz24]

yea i have two that are the same exact measurements and the other two i just had to make the bottom piece longer because of my boots. i messed around on paper with different measurement but those seemed to be the best size.

[Jonny W]

do you want to sell one of those soul plates? let me know

[shantz24]

i will consider selling the two that dont fit my setup. i would like to test them out before i do that tho. next weekend i will get started on finishing the edges and such. after the edges are done the plan is to buff them to a nice shine and clear coat all the the outter surfaces. also i will fit one of mine with teflon or maybe something else to see whats better. im taking a weekend trip in mid december the first week i am out of school so that would be the first chance i will get to use them. depends on school work and stuff like that if i get on the slopes before that.

alex, how much is aluminum sheet where you are? the stuff i have i got for free from a friend but i used it all on the four i made. i havent priced it yet or found somewhere to get it.

[Alex-TRS]

no clue...will know once I start "shopping" =)

unless you're willing to send me one of those that doesn't fit so I can test on my own without making another prototype since the measurements you used are the ones I made.

let me know

[shantz24]

yea, id have no problem sending you one of those since i have no use for them. you want me to drill it and finish it?

[Kelli]

geez u guys have been busy!
Ok so as summarry would be that you have a design that you have tried in steel and aluminum. so far the aluminum seems lighter yet is it more stable then the steel. what about a metal like titanium? Its light yet strong. I know it might be slightly more exspensive to get but its worth a try. unfortuantly i dont have the tools to try it, hmmn maybe i can ask a friend at Williams Freetrade.(I'll get back to you).
the other thing would be once you attach it does it hinder u going on the rest of the hill. If not there should be an easy way to unattach it from the board.
have you tried to find a sponsor to manufacture it after everyone is done with the prototypes?
also could one of you email(tomgirl102088@yahoo.com or KelliMini@aol.com) the pattern so i can try making the titanium ones with a friend? unfortuantly i can not get the picture to print or email from the forum so i cant get the exact measurements.
thanx

[Jonny W]

this is starting to sound killer, i hope someone has one done before first snowfall

[bobson]

hi all,

i may be able to help.............

i work as a designer in the UK and this sorta stuff is bread and butter for me, we also have a workshop....

if someone can mail me the plans so far i can knock up a proper drawing which people could take to a toolshop

i dont know all the differing bindings so dont know how much work it would be to make a generic design that could be used on a number of differing set-ups; its gonna be a bit difficult if each plate has to be customised to the binding.

also there are varying gaps betwwen bindings and boots; so thats another variable.

I`ve got some of the new mix bindings so can graft a pair for them (also som rev-x 's - ouch)
im not that great in the park and live in the uk so probably need someone to test them - is it possible that they have a facility at milton keynes snowdome?

once i can look at the size/design we should be able to have replaceable teflon/ptfe rubbers that can be srewed ion position if you wantt less friction.

from the looks of the current design and for strength it may be best to form the plate to shape, if you want titanium then good luck to ya!
some grade of aluminium should be up to the job

as i say, if some of you guys could give me a report/breakdown on what you have done so far/problems so far then i can get a drawing and 3d model made and we take it from there.
I also know a fair few machine shops; so if quantities warrant could get some numbers made up

hoping to make it to marivella, but its looking difficult at the moment
:rolleyes:

[allz]

@bobson

hey,its 3months left, so u can do sumtin about it!!!

ohh..cool, then u will be in Italy event? if u dont like to participate in contest, u should get there anyway, because of skiboarding ppl meetings ..: u will meet us ..a lot of skiboarders in one place;)

and if u make that plate, it would be nice to test it in Italy !!!

hope u will succeed!

[Alex-TRS]

holy shit Its awesome that so many people are interested in
what my idea....everone's help is greatly appreciated.

shantz24 : it would be awesome if you could send me one....
would save me tons of time that I don'T have =)
But don't bother finishing it and drilling it... let
me do it and save you time and effort. its already
quite enough that you made some and are willing
to send me one.

Kelli : 100% sure that aluminium is the way to go for the main
structure. Then finding the right plastic or material for
sliding will ensure a "perfect" setup.


Bobson : if the base plate could be screwed closer or farther
from the boot then it would solve pretty much every
boot/binding issues. slotted holes on the base plate
was my original idea but well since I don't have the
necessary tools to do it here I simply did a design to fit
my setup.

Im at work so I'll stop this here but if you guys need more details,
schemas,etc. email me : alex_beaudet@videotron.ca!

let's make this work guys

[garagesale2]

Sup guys, just getting back on the forums for the new season and read this forum..unreal idea I will def. buy some when they are ready.....This willl push our sport like no other!

Peace,
Al

[adamlynam]

sup garagesale...

i could use some "financial aid"

would you like to be a sponsor ????


-lynam

[Jeff Miles]

shit dude....i can use an investor in my new brand of skiboards (Klae)....in which..
should be coming out by winter of 06' "fingers crossed"

[garagesale2]

Lynam,
What type of stuff do you need sponsorship for?
peace,
al

[adamlynam]

haha

i just need money
sponsor at will

lynam

[tommy]

hahahahahahaha

please donate to the

adam lynam needs money fund.

:D

[adamlynam]

everyone donate im building an empire
its really really amazing and huge for the sport..... you'll see soon


-lynam

[allz]

what empire??? tell or donation will be blocked..haha, no, realy, tell us sumtin, maybe some of us can help...

[garagesale2]

hahha this could be unreal...give lynam cash..and we will all prosper !!..how soon is soon..I'am an unpatient person

rock on,
garage sale

ps...if any 1 wants to sponsor me..I'm available lol

[adamlynam]

im going to start bottling flatulance....

and selling it out on the hill...
its really a revolution

everyone send money fast!!!!!

adam lynam
16 willow pond rd
malvern, PA 19355

WORD!!!!

lynam

[jare_ball248]

what ever happened to this idea. i know i have made a soul plate and havent had any probs with mine

[jare_ball248]

depneding on cost of metal i might have some made by next season that i can get rid off