what are these ????

[trickslide]

http://www.exclaimskiboards.co.uk/exclaim-riser-plate-and-releasable-binding-p-6.html

are these spruce risers?

if not are they better or worse?

http://www.exclaimskiboards.co.uk/exclaim-riser-plate-and-releasable-binding-p-6.html

[SkaFreak]

Those are apparently Exclaim's contribution to the skiboarding market this year. I believe this is the first year they've existed, so anyone who rode them probably had to be testing for them. They look like they'll work, but to me they seem like they have a really long footprint and would kill the flex of the board.

[trickslide]

yeah that's what i was thinking (about the flex)

[taimos]

Ok, im going to sound biased, because i am the co-owner of Exclaim! Skiboards, but hear me out.

We made this plate because, in the UK, non-releasable bindings are largely unheard of. We previously had the spruce plates, but wanted to see if we could better them. We believe we have. Our aim is to have a releasable option that gives the best feel possible on the snow. Here is comparison picture:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y75/Taimos/untitledww.jpg

Unfortunatly the angle doesn't show the side on view of the riser very well, but where in the Spruce's you have one long plastic piece screwed to the board, in ours there is simple a small metal spacer, which only goes over the bindings. The riser is also designed for maximum feel and flex, and having tested them, i can safely say that you don't lose any felx at all. By keeping the profile of the riser low and the contact with the board minimal, you get a much more sensative and closer feel.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y75/Taimos/untitlede-1.jpg

Any other questions please ask, we really would like this to take off.

Also once we get them in stock (should be a week or so, fingers crossed) we will be sending a pair out to Greco so that he can have a look and once the snow starts falling, give us some feedback on them.

thanks

joe

Exclaim! Skiboards

Disclaimer: In no way am i defaming Spruce or thier products, I am simply stating an opinion. If it appears that way I apologize.

[taimos]

Edit: Video still processing, should be up soon :s

Here is a video, terrible quality but it just shows you what i mean.

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[Manlenium]

I was thinking they looked pretty sweet. Looks like it gives the feel of a nonrelaese with the safety of a release.

[taimos]

thanks man, that's the plan!

[trickslide]

how much in US $$ will they be?

do they allow the board to flex as much as the spruce rizers do?

can you mount your own bindings on them?


are they as good / strong as the pro primes???

[taimos]

In the US, they will probably retail for about $350. That is for the riser plate with the bindings. If buying just the riser plate it should be roughly $210 That's just a guess because we need to convert it first. They are more expensive than the Spruces but I believe that they are definatly worth it.

They allow the board to flex more than the Spruce. We have tested both and ours offers more flex.

You may be able to mount your own bindings, if you have rossignol ones that were preiously on the Spruce risers, they will fit (this is what we use). If you are using other bindings, let us know what they are and we will investiage it.

They are most deifnatly as strong, or stronger, than the pro primes. We believe they are of better quality as well, providing a ride that gives you increased control and feel without sacrificing the releasable element.

Joe

[trickslide]

i don't get how they could get more flex than the spruce.
please explain.

[taimos]

Because the spruce has a 9 inch spacer which is attached to the board. Our spacer is 2 inches.


If you take one peice of wood and try and bend it, youll probably be able to bend it (depends on the wood)

If you take 3 peices adn try to bend it, chances are youll have more difficulty because there is mroe to bend.

With the riser having minimal contact with the board it allows it to flex either side of the spacer, thus giving you more flex. there is less room either side of the spacer on the spruce so the flex is less.

it's really hard to explain.

[BrklynCarver]

taimos,

That is really cool. Great to see a new releasable binding in the market for those interested. I agree, when I go skiboarding in Europe, the majority use releasables.. non-releasables are the rarity.

The one concern I would have would be with more flex on the binding than the Spruce, could one possibly experience more of a chance of a premature release since skiboards endure more stress and flex than a regular ski? The idea of such a big riser on the Spruce reduces the flex of a skiboard, but also increases the likelihood that a premature release will not occur.

[SkaFreak]

Taimos, I still just don't see how your bindings create a more natural flex than the spruce risers. Your risers do have a much smaller direct footprint than the spruce risers, but your's also have a much lower slope and are much closer to the boards than the spruce risers. When you put a board up on edge to carve, the board flexes down creating a concave curve to turn on. I'd have to see em in person/ride them myself to be sure, but it looks to me that a hard carve on those could result in the board flexing to the point that it hits the binding. Not only does this stop the flex, it also means you'll be impacting the top of boards with the bindings=damage, and over time the topsheet of the boards getting pretty beat up. Non-release bindings get around this with rubber risers between the board and the binding, and the spruces just lift off the boards fast enough that you won't run into that issue. If you don't mind me asking, how did you test the flex of the your risers vs. the spruce primes? BrklynCarver also brings up a good point. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that they won't work, just that I personally would not order a pair without being able to try em out in real life first. Best of luck to you with your design.

[taimos]

Basically in answer, we need to get them out there and get some more testing done. I will use the points you've made and test them with that in mind when we're at the snowdome on the 4th.

Hopefully we can get some people trying them out so we can see what they think, but so far I see an improvement. However they haven't been tested on landings yet, or on steep slopes. Thats the disadvantage of coming up with a product in the UK summer.

[Faceplant]

ghetto version hacked up this past spring.

much respect to spruce and exclaim!

http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6616884

i hope i inserted the image correctly.

[taimos]

you made that yoruself???

how does it ride man?

its so............DIY!!!!

[tyberesk]

haha very nice

[trickslide]

how those be ridin'

any good?

how much money did they cost to build?

[Faceplant]

i haven't ridden them, yet, only jumped around violently like a mofo w/them in boots and on beater boards on concrete trying to break them or bend them. so far so good. power transfer feels really direct. hopefully they're not too harsh over bumps. the footprint on the board is 8 inches. my extreme IIs have a 10 inch footprint. there's 1/2 in. of vertical space to allow for flex of the board. i could probably shave a bit off the ends to allow for more space, but i don't want to compromise the strength.

after riding extreme IIs these are definitely heavier but not as heavy as i would imagine given the grade of aluminum i bought. now, i just need snow!!!

cost to make them...not sure if i should say 'coz i don't want to detract from the nice products that spruce and exclaim put out. if i had leisure cash laying around i'd buy the established stuff. let's just say if you're on a tight budget, or debating between releaseables and new boards, you CAN have both if you spend just a little bit of time to get the setup put together and if you don't mind the back-alley look lol. that said, i bet anyone on this forum could make this thing look ten times cooler than i did. i'd love to see others' diy projects. thanks.