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jjue
01-01-2009, 07:20 PM
You know , I envy Skafreak , gertting on the Sherpa and figuring it out in about one run and going to the board like a duck to water . For me it has taken a bit longer :)! Today I took my Sherpa out in the stuff that I have found most difficult on the big beast , 1500 vert of continuous moguls and very tight cruddy off piste glades with tight trees , boulders etc . This kind of stuff demands very quick turns and I have in the past found the shorter skiboards like my 120 , 110's and KTP easier , but today I think I finally got it dialed in . Thought I would share some of what I found out .
First , as a 56 year old ageing warrior , I just don't want to run through rough terrain at speed on my Sherpa like Skafreak . Just way too scary for me . On long and short skis I am a pretty good mogul skier , head straight down the fall line , use poles , pole plant and just unweight throw my tails around and edge and ride straight down the fall line . Riding the Sherpa like Skafreak I tried to just head down like he does like it is groomed snow , I usually end up picking up too much speed that I can't bleed off in the tight moguls and then fall back on my butt.
What I finally realized was that I was kind of afraid of the Sherpa , trying to dig in with my heels to slow down and leaning up into the slope and not being
able to make the next turn and running across the mogul field .
I finally realized the the Sherpa in all situations is a beast , it likes to go faster then other skiboards ,. you need to take this beast by the tail and drive it like you mean it and not like you are scared and then and only then can you tame the beast .

Here is what I did , you need to lean forward and down the steep mogul field and lean right forward on the balls of your feet and let the front of the Sherpa go right across the top of the mogul and into the fall line , then immediately you need to control the speed with sharp and precise edging kind of like a hockey stop , but not leaning into the hill ......your body needs to be facing foward down the hill while the feet are edging side ways to the fall line . Then what I do is just put my downhill hand down hill and toward the other ...direction , this is kind of what I do when I use ski poles , but without poles on the Sherpa this is a trigger to trust my skills I am going right down into the falline not up into the slope . In skiing this is called a bit of a counter rotation . My edges release from the hockey stop platform and turn right into the fall line as I lean right down the steep slope on top of the mogul . This filnally clicked in and I was able to ride right down the fall line non stop without poles on the Sherpa , without getting tired and in complete control and at a speed I wanted and maybe not what the beast wanted.

After a bit of training on the moguls , I took the Sherpa right out into the off piste crud , you know soft snow , cut up snow , pow patches mixed with hard snow .. the stuff that would challenge you in getting your balance right . I realized again , that in the past I was riding the Sherpa too much on my heels , worrying like I do with smaller skiboards of digging a tip and going over the handlebars. It is very weird , but with the Sherpa , the most important thing was not to worry about it , the board is SO stable , you just need to NOT worry about the terrain variations and again lean forward right into the fall line even though there are tight trees and big boulders etc right in front of you , you need to do exactly as you do on moguls go forward on the balls of your feet and trust that you will be able to make that speed killing stop as your body faces right down the fall line and your legs turn right and left underneath you . Sure if there is some soft snow , you might need to rock a little back in weight , but the strange thing is that in situations that you absolutely know you would go over your tips with other skiboards the sherpa just plows through . Again I used that downhill hand down and in front of me toward the other side to help trigger the next turn ... this worked fantastic and I was able to negotiate very tight technical terrain on the sherpa with controlled speed . .. absolute joy , the beast has become tamed for me ..!!

SkaFreak
01-01-2009, 11:17 PM
Jack, I am glad you hear you finally are starting to get the hang of riding these things. I will say that even I have been learning more about the Sherpas each time I ride them. The latest thing that I noticed I made a thread about previously, and that was to let my legs take everything they could by keeping them somewhat limp. This was letting me bomb down chopped out, icy, crudtacular, terrible blues that I used to hate. I was too tense when I was taking that kind of terrain, and it wasn't until I just relaxed myself a bit more than usual that it all started to click in even more. I am quickly learning that the KTPs are a lot like a mini-sherpa. They aren't as bad as the Sherpas at low speed, but when you start pushing the KTPs they start performing even better. My guess would be the combination of width and flex that creates that, but wouldn't be able to say for sure since I haven't been on a pair of the condors yet.

mahatma
01-02-2009, 08:43 AM
jjue,

Lean forward? OK, I'll be seeing moguls at Happo. Steep, tight, icy, ugly moguls. So, how are you scrubbing off speed again? Feel free to write slowly and use small words.

jjue
01-02-2009, 09:01 AM
Mahatma , here is the sequence that I was using..... approaching the top of the mogul I put my weight a bit forward and let the tips go over the top and across the fall line , while looking straight down the fall line , as the tips cross and go over the fall line and the boards slide on to the back slide of the mogul , I make an immediate quick edge set to kill speed , or if it is real icy a "feathered" edge set and slide a bit on the back side of the mogul , I like, on a steep mogul slope ,to kill almost all the speed off the skiboards , the important thing is not to lean in to that turn but keep your shoulders pointed down the fall line , now here is the important trick I discovered you need a trigger to extend your torso in the direction of the next turn , with long skis this is a pole plant , while skiing poleless , i use my downhill hand and extend it downslope and toward the direction I want to turn this gets my body all in the right alignment and lets me begin the turn in the opposite direction

Joe nevins describes this idea of extending your torso into the turn in this tip from his bumps for boomers course in which he uses skiboards , albeit with poles , to teach skiers how to ski moguls ..


Skiing Tip - Extend Your Torso In The Direction Of The Turn
Friday, December 28th, 2007

When you initiate a turn you want to extend (extend legs to stand tall) but it is important that you simultaneously extend and move your torso and upper body down the hill in the direction of the turn. If you extend straight up vertically you will likely find yourself in the back seat and out of balance. Why?

The answer is simple. If the hill has a downward slope and you extend vertically then the skis will be at a downward angle but your body will remain perpendicular to vertical. If you diagram that you will quickly see that there will be a larger angle between the tip of the skis and your body than there is between your body and the tail of the skis. By definition that means that you are in the back seat with excessive weight on the tails of your skis. That means that you will be out of balance and it will be harder to initiate turns.

The bottom line: commit to making each turn by extending your upper body downhill toward the turn rather than just extending vertically. You want to remain approximately perpendicular to the angle of the slope directly underneath your feet and skis.

And, think about this … if you are turning on a mogul then it is important to be perpendicular to the angle on the back side of each individual mogul rather than the overall angle of the run you are skiing.

To your success in becoming a better mogul and powder skier.


ps , here is a link to a wealth of information from joe nevins course on how to ski moguls
http://www.bumpsforboomers.com/how-to-ski-moguls-good-speed-control.htm

He talks alot about the soft edge and sliding as you turn .. perhaps to the extreme , I think you can either do a hard edge set or a soft edge set to kill speed in moguls , just depends on the snow condition .

valmorel
01-02-2009, 11:27 AM
jjue, how do you remember what you do? Takes all my concentration in moguls just staying alive :-)

jjue
01-02-2009, 11:51 AM
jjue, how do you remember what you do? Takes all my concentration in moguls just staying alive :-)

LOL , valmorel , so true! actually , it probably is all about trying to figure out afterwards what you did that made it seem to work when you were in the heat of combat , so maybe , just maybe you can not forget to do it like that the next time !

t21
01-03-2009, 12:47 AM
hey jjue, question about fall line,is that the track made by skiers on moguls? i mean basically the "road"made right below the top of the mogul? yesterday i finally skied on moguls(i really do not like it) and i had a blast! but it sure wore me down. i watch some skiers going down without problem by going side to side in a real fast way.i tried to emulate it but i keep going over the top onto the farther end ,and i also notice that i tend to like hopping onto the next track(bouncing i guess). i then would pick up speed while hopping track to track then i try to go on the top of the mogul but i'd skip right over it then land on the farther track. this might sound confusing to you,i wish i could show it to you but although i was having a lot of fun, it was also a work out . i tried to understand what your explaining about your style/approach to moguls and reading about the bumpforboomers tips but i guess i need a visual. is there any vids out there i can watch (youtube or something)? i tried to find skafreak's vid on his sherpa's but cannot find it. thanks for the help.anyone else cares to add any advice please do, and thank you too:)

jjue
01-03-2009, 01:31 AM
t21 , great question , the fall line is the imaginary line straight down the hill not the line through the troughs ,
good skiers do have some techniques which can be transferred to skiboarding moguls . take a look at this vid , watch the skier calmly descending straight down the "fall line " the imaginary line straight down the hill ,
watch how the body is always pointed down the hill while the legs turn underneath , watch the steps , first the skis ride over the top of the mogul , slide down the steep side of the mogul into the trough , this is how you kill speed ,
now watch the downhill hand of the skier initate a pole plant down hill, on skiboards , i just extend my hand , down hill toward the next turn just like the skier does with his pole , this is a trigger for me to turn from the trough up over the next mogul ...
the same type of turns can be done on skiboards without poles , if you watch carefully and practice alot ...

The key point comes toward the end of this short vid, most of us ride our skiboards like the skier does at the end following our turns without what they call in this vid skiing with"dynamic anticipation" . what this means is making short radius turns straight down the fall line , quiet body moving down the fall line ( imaginary straight line down the hill ) , legs moving underneath us side to side , , this is also what Skafreak is talking about in his recent post on riding rough terrain ... practice the dynamic anticipation type turns on groomed non moguled snow , and then take it to the moguls,
of course on short skiboards the other way is to just follow the troughs , but you can pick up a lot of speed that way , especially on longer skiboards like the Sherpa , this way of riding with "dynamic anticipation" down the fall line is super cool and can be done even with the longest , widest skiboard , beast around (the sherpa)

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mahatma
01-03-2009, 04:46 AM
jjue,

Ahh, perfect video! That is what I was missing. I couldn't visualize the leading hand thing. Does jjue mean reaching across his body? Does he mean sort of leaning over like initializing a carve in the direction of the next turn? Gee, how the heck is he scrubbing off speed on steep, icy, tightly packed moguls? I mean that stuff is steep and the terrain is totally unforgiving. How is he doing anything except zip line bombing? I don't want to zip line bomb. I want Jack to hold my hand and help me down! OK. I now get it. Well, conceptually. That matters. Will do as instructed. I'll start by getting myself together on the groom and then take a deep breath and moving over to the real thing. I'm putting that video on my Nano.

mahatma
01-03-2009, 06:43 AM
jjue,

I wanted to add a special thanks for this last tip. When I seen the video I felt a type of joy that exceeded the insight into this one issue. It just struck me why - with this single example I have just learned how to fully accept guidance from skiers. I feel stupid for not picking up on it before. Mimic their behavior. Just because I'm not holding poles does not mean I cannot emulate their movements and positioning. Of course I can. Positively brilliant. I'm getting moving on that pyramid.

t21
01-03-2009, 09:50 AM
thanks jjue, now i see how they do it. as i remember a bit, i was slightly would start that way then i would start missing turns and ending into the other side(there were some troughs that are deep too),as soon as i do that i would pick up speed then also i start to squat down and like i'm in a carving pose. and that i think really gets my legs to start its burning sensation:D cuz i had to stop and catch my breath,then start over. this vid would really help me out a lot and improve my skills and conquer those MOGULS! thanks again jjue, now only if the ice on our roads melts so i could go back up the mountains with my son and start practicing what i just seen:) soon......