Bruno Bans Skiboards in park

[Roussel]

my local hill St-Bruno where i've been buying a season pass at for the past 7 years has banned skiboarding in the park this season.

they started banning it at the end of last season but it wasnt inforced, today i want and there was a ski patrol guy waiting for me at the bottom of the hill and gave me a warning putting a red mark on my ski pass (which i smudged off later)

he said that because 99% of "snowbladers" dont know how the mountain works and because they are unstable they had to ban skiboarding in the park. he then told me to go buy some skis.

[kirk]

fuck man... thats one thing id flip shit over... good luck with that, i dont even know what to say...

[Greco]

what if you had spruce releasables on?

[sticks]

Not too much one can do about a policy put in place. might want to find out what "REALLY" prompted the banning. I'd bet there were enough accidents/incidents in the park/or around the mountain to generate some legal issues the mountain ownership doesn't feel like fighting.

Amazing how far ski-law has come. Just as amazing as how far it hasn't.

Sticks

[Roussel]

i asked the ski patrol about putting releasable bindings. he told me that not the only reason why and even then. kids would see me go down and start going in the park with non-releasables.

[Roussel]

i e-mailed the ski resort about it altought i doubt they will reply, i think im gonna try to contact them by phone.

[bailey]

ride with poles.. then theyll think your a skier

[Roussel]

haha, i should do that.

or buy some ALPs

[Roussel]

they arent gonna stop me from going in the park tahts for sure. as long i get out of the park before i get to the bottom so they dont see me i'll be fine.

[sticks]

Nothing like avoiding "drive-by ticketing". Seen many people avoid the fuzz by ducking and dodging. I once saw a kid blow right in between 5 ski patrol just BS'ing and cut right through markers sticks and all...ended pulling three of the five in chase. Was funny as hell to watch. I don't know if they ever caught him or not. Still amusing...

Sticks

[tommy]

haha being chased by the snow police how fun!!!

[UnWoRtHy]

Shouldn't we be careful in how often and to what extent we defy the snow police...lest we earn the unfounded reputation of troublemakers? It would seem to me that being seen as such wouldn't help the sport along too much...

You are right, though. Getting banned from the park is a complete crock of shit. Has a mountain as of yet banned skiboarding all together, like they did to snowboarders, and some still do?

[Christian]

wait wait wait... they banned skiboarding cause it was "unstable" and "dangerous" and not skis why the hell dont they just shut the whole damn mtn down i mean isnt every aspect of almost every sport dangerous. i just had a major sprang at basketball practice today and im out for 6 weeks but im not suing the damn school. that place needs to chill out and relax... damn banning skiboarding in the park thats just unethically gay.



---------------your friend and mine Christian G.

[Jonny W]

maybe if all those little fags didn't ride up to rails like there gonna hit them then jump off the side and get in everyones way there wouldn't be the problem, i know we should stick together but i'm starting to think we should punch these kids out, and the fags with the poles

[Roussel]

i saw some guy on skiboards with poles today, made me laugh.

[kirk]

Jonny, i know exactly what you mean... it makes me so mad when i see all these skiboarders with poles. Then when they cut you off to use the jump that was made for the rail... just pisses me off and makes the sport look so bad.

I've been seeing tons of skiboarders at my resort this year.... but so many of them are doin crap like using poles... Its been so bad lately cause its like all the families and crap comin out for their once a year ski during winter break. I landed a fakie 270 fastslide today on this little shitty rail they threw up tho, so im happy. 4th day in a row skiboarding, I can hardly stand up now.

[zenderfall]

Really, what's the big deal if noob skiboarders are using poles? They, like the non-skiboard riders, don't know what they're doing, and I'll bet they're probably riding the more budget-minded skiboards, aren't they? Not seen many people riding M7's and holding poles.

Show them what you can do without them. I do that all the time. Then they go *wow, you don't use poles?* and of course, you can respond anyway you like.

I'll bet you 99% of the time noobs will be like *I never done this before, this is my first time riding these*

And you should thank the people that sold them those entry-level skiboards-yes, they did something for the sport-they sold it to people who have no clue what they're doing!!!

There's many ways to go about educating people about the sport instead of despising and jeering at people's mistakes, especially those who are brave enough to try riding them. They're taking ridicule from friends as well as strangers for trying something that looks different from what they're used to.

Be good to people. You can change people 10 times easier by being nice and friendly than by hating.

[zenderfall]

And as far as banning skiboards on the mountain, simply do this:

Don't go there anymore. And not only that, don't encourage your friends to go there. Don't talk about it. Don't advertise the place, don't even mention it. Not even a statement like Bruno used to be a great place until......

And do this: advertise for the OTHER mountain that allows skiboarding. And make it a point that you go there ONLY BECAUSE they allow skiboarders. And tell your friends to do the same.

What you need to concentrate on is growing the sport. When the skiboarding gets big and bad the owners and managers of that mountain will realize how much money they're losing to a competing mountain, because ALL the skiboarders go there, all 20,000 of them (wouldn't that be nice?)

There's plenty of examples of mountains shutting out snowboarders, only to find out that they're losing business to a nearby competitor who not only allows them, but promotes their attendance. Then what happens to the snowboard-banning mountain? It starts losing money, the runs shrink, the lifts get taken away, the workers get laid off, and years and years later, we see a tiny little ad saying "Come to the little getaway place, a nice, quiet, little mountain away from everyone else"

Meanwhile, the other mountain, who holds national competitions for snowboarders, and is the forefront of the snowboarding sport, is packed full of people and struggling with issues of *what do we do with all this MONEY?*

Of course, skiboarding is not there yet, but again, it starts with YOU!! Make this sport big so people will understand that we have a ton of riders, willing to pay $$$ to ride a decent mountain.

Because in the end, it the whole issue had absolutely nothing to do with two 99cm boards stuck to your feet, and everything to do with money.

[Roussel]

ya see the thing is bruno is about 10 min from where i live and i've been riding there all my life. and most of the time its my only chaice place to go riding cuz we dont have time or money to get out to one of the other resorts 1hour or more aways.

[Greco]

zenderfall is absolutely right about being nice to anyone who is on anything that resembles a skiboard. most people if not all who are on snowblades or the like, have no clue what they are doing or what skiboarding is but they are so close!!! and dont' even know it :D i usually just go up to them, ask them how they like their boards, how long have them been doing it, stuff like that and then hand them an SBOL sticker and invite them to check out skiboarding. they are usually pretty excited and happy to be approached. they usually ask how skiboards are different and why are they better? some are like whatever and don't really care but that's OK.
Then ride off and show what can be done on real skiboards!

G

[Jordahl]

thats GAY, but even if ur other mts are like an hour or more away, if it could mean bruno opening the park up again for skiboarders, whats a few years gona hurt. WORTH IT! thats what i would do if the ridge did that becuz our park can be good after all the fags leave at night and i can take a shovel and fix everything they fucked up:D and yeah the snowbladers with poles going off the sides of rail jumps that I made piss me off the most, so when i do make jumps i try to make them kinda narrow, so people cant do that and if they try i bitch them out or they fall on there nuts so they dont need that from me. but i will never SKI. a few days ago a gay tourist told me to go get some real skis i said nothing, then i finally got on the same run with him i showed up up on the box and rail and jump. and guess what? he shut the fuck up after that rail. Good feeling, u guys should try it.



TOURISTS ARE GAY thank god christmas is over,
jason

[jsinger]

The underlying problem here is liability and that means insurance companies not ski areas.

Remember that St-Saveur banned the SBOL/ISF meet last year as well, so it's not just Mt-Bruno.

[Greco]

St-Saveur banned snowblades in their park last year not specifically the SBOL event. I hear this year the aren't banning them, is that correct?

g

[Roussel]

i talked to some people about it and it doesnt sound liek tis the insurance companies. the park at bruno is maintained by a local snowboard skateboard shop called Empire. They decide pretty much everything that happens in that park and it sounded like they were the ones who put the ban on.

the major reason they gave me where that they are unstable at high speeds and on jumps. and another reason was that almost all of the skiboarders are beginners and dont know how the mountain works, so they cut people off to hit rails and jumps.

[Ian.cap]

If it's the shop closing it down, then that's pretty weak. I bet you if you showed the owners of that shop skiboarding the way we see it, their attitude would change. Maybe bring a copy of white Dwarf to the shop?

[Christian]

ok so the skiboarders using poles you guys gotta give em' a brake cause i bet you that their either noobs or probally old guys who had to stop skiing and move to skiboarding/snowblades tonot risk injury. and roussel dont leave your mtn just keep riding the park anyways and if it comes down to where you have to talk to the shop guys just tell them how childish they're being.


------------------ your friend and mine Christian G.

[garagesale2]

"ok so the skiboarders using poles you guys gotta give em' a brake cause i bet you that their either noobs..."

i totally disagree I have never used poles with skiboards..out of curiousity--how many people on here used poles when they were new to skiboarding?

[shantz24]

really i dont care if skiboarders use poles. i never used them when learning to skiboard. i see more and more skiers without poles, do skiers hate them? i dunno, as long as they are having fun...who cares.

[Christian]

umm to be honest i didnt use poles in fact i chose to skiboard cause i hated poles.

but the other part of that quote is very important that old, frail, fragile, people use poles while skiboarding.

no offence to anybody but i have been sencing hostility on this subject of poles. maybe i can sum this up.

my question is why is it such an unholy and grave offence if people use poles? i mean most of the damn mountain hates you cause your different why should we hate the pole users cause their different. its the same thing.

[FLYhigh1013]

i want a sticker

[phillycore]

/me is the fat, old, ex-skier guy on skiboards that NEEDS (not wants) to use poles.


Thanks for confirming your opinions

[Roussel]

some more bad news for skiboarding...

Tremblent, St-Sauveur/Avila, Bromont have all banned skiboards in their snow parks.

and that means the 4 closest mountains to me have banned skiboards.

[Roussel]

actually bromont may have banned skiboard ENTIRELY on the mountain, but im not sure yet.

[Christian]

man crazy canada (no offence to any canadians)

[bailey]

tremblant too?! what the hell

[sticks]

With all this banning going on, I was just going to comment on how at Seven Springs and Blue Mtn this last week I thought I saw more skiboards than I ever have. The sheer amount of people riding skiboards of all types (snowbladers the majority) was astounding. I saw skiboarders with poles, without poles, on snowblades, MNP's, M7's, and a few sets of K2's and a lot of Headliners.

My overall comment was that it was nice to see the seeming comeback that we have been making since the last couple years almost warmed over as a slump of sorts.

Out of all the boarders out there (aside from the headliners), I think my wife, kids, and my friend were the only ones on Jeff's Risers. BTW Jeff, the Risers worked great for all of us these last four rides out...got good releases when I needed them most. My bud who broke his leg at 7 Springs last season just picked up a set last month from you and was totally pleased.

Well, anyways...it's still shitty to hear that so many mountains are having bans on skiboads. Gotta wonder if it is injury or rider conduct that is pushing this?

Sticks

[MikeMtn]

Originally posted by kirk
Jonny, i know exactly what you mean... it makes me so mad when i see all these skiboarders with poles. Then when they cut you off to use the jump that was made for the rail... just pisses me off and makes the sport look so bad.

I've been seeing tons of skiboarders at my resort this year.... but so many of them are doin crap like using poles... Its been so bad lately cause its like all the families and crap comin out for their once a year ski during winter break. I landed a fakie 270 fastslide today on this little shitty rail they threw up tho, so im happy. 4th day in a row skiboarding, I can hardly stand up now.

I guess I'm not understanding why a person would be 'so mad' that another person is using poles. Isn't that the same insane attitude that people on skis have about skiboarders? I use poles because I like to use poles. I know I don't 'need' them. I can skate like everyone else. But to tell you the truth, when you have some momentum, and trying to get past the flats, it is kind of handy to be able to keep the boards flat and give yourself an extra boost by a quick jab of the sticks. I aslo find them quite handy for pulling my young kid along in those situations. As for all the families and crap coming out during winter and spring breaks, I imagine most people that ski got their start by doing those vacations. Also, if it weren't for all those people that came out once a year, your ski tickets would be so expensive, you might only go once a year too. Can you imagine how much it would cost if only season ticket holders paid for everything on the mountain? There wouldn't even be resorts. You'd have to build a ramp in your backyard. I wish I lived close enough to a mountain that I could go more than once or twice a year. I'm just glad I'm within driving distance to get to mountains without having to pay for plane tickets. Do you know how much it costs for lodging so you can stay once a year? About $1500. And then to buy decent boards and only get to use them once or twice a year sucks too. It's not a cheap adventure. So when you are complaining about people being out there, be a little more sympathetic. They are just trying to get the most out of their ski experience. I try not to get in the way of someone doing major tricks, but every once in a while I like to try a small jump, or get my nerve up to try harder things. I can't do a trick without working up to it, and I'm sure you all didn't either. So as long as they are not a danger to others, give the casual 'daredevil' a break, and educate them on ettiquite. It's not like they build small jumps out on the slopes for beginners, the parks can be for everyone, with patience and education. Teach someone, or tell them a better place to go for what they are trying to do. We all have to work together to keep our sport viable.
Mike

[tkmalan]

Vail has recently announced a ban on Skiboards. More info available on Skiboards.com forum.

[Kelli]

man this sucks everyone is banning

[MikeMtn]

Originally posted by tkmalan
Vail has recently announced a ban on Skiboards. More info available on Skiboards.com forum.

Not true. We are getting information from ski security that counters that. Someone in the activities office at Vail gave out incorrect information. We also have confirmation from Media Communications Managers about that.

Not to worry.

[Jeff Miles]

The reason y a skiboarder should NOT use poles is that....u basically dont need them...skier's use poles to carve and shit like that better...skiboards are already meant for automatic carving so the poles is like having a third testicle...ITS USELESS

[tkmalan]

I spoke to soon: Message from Vail

I think that you are responding to misinformation. Our resorts do
allow ski blades (aka snow blades), figgles and ski boards. We do not,
however, permit snow decks at our resorts. I'm not sure where you
received the misinformation, but we would appreciate it if you help us
by correcting the source. I had received another e-mail like yours this
morning so I'm assuming that it must be posted on a message board
somewhere.

Sincerely,

Kelly Ladyga
Director of Corporate Communications
Vail Resorts, Inc.
P.O. Box 7
Vail, CO 81658
(970) 845-5720 (office)
(970) 331-1682 (cell)
www.vailresorts.com

[Jonny W]

everyone on here that is saying they have to use poles i think have it all wrong, they don't have to they are just lazy, if you look at the comments like, i use them instead of skating, that is one of the glorys of skiboarding, yes thats right you can skate on them. and to pull your kid around, i have been skiing since i was 4 and my parents never pulled me around, i managed to get myself around just fine, they said if you want to ski then you do what everyone else has to. i'm sorry i singled out skiboarders who jump off the sides of jumps built for rails, i should have included skiers and snowboarders in that, they piss me off to when they do it, basically when i'm out skiboarding and i see alot of other skiboarders doing exactly what every skier and snowboarder complains to me about when i try to explain why skiboarding is good. the problem is when i see it right infront of me i can't even argue it. if you were in my shoes would you be pissed?

[MikeMtn]

Originally posted by Jonny W
everyone on here that is saying they have to use poles i think have it all wrong, they don't have to they are just lazy, if you look at the comments like, i use them instead of skating, that is one of the glorys of skiboarding, yes thats right you can skate on them. and to pull your kid around, i have been skiing since i was 4 and my parents never pulled me around, i managed to get myself around just fine, they said if you want to ski then you do what everyone else has to. i'm sorry i singled out skiboarders who jump off the sides of jumps built for rails, i should have included skiers and snowboarders in that, they piss me off to when they do it, basically when i'm out skiboarding and i see alot of other skiboarders doing exactly what every skier and snowboarder complains to me about when i try to explain why skiboarding is good. the problem is when i see it right infront of me i can't even argue it. if you were in my shoes would you be pissed?

Hi Jonny,
I understand your point about poles, but why do you care if someone chooses to use them? I'm not lazy. I'm 38, my body is not used to extended activitiy. OK so that's my fault for not excercising as much as I should. But my point is, it isn't affecting you. As for my kid, when he starts getting tired, and I want him to move along a little faster so I can keep my speed, then I'll pull him , or slingshot him. You'll probably do the same when you have a little one. And the last point. The older you get, the less 'pissed' you will be about things. As long as my safety isn't compromised, I let it go.

[phillycore]

I'm 31 years old and damn near 300lbs. If I skated on the flat areas all the time and didn't use the poles I'd last a whole 3 hours on the slopes. When I use the poles to get around on the flat areas I can make it all day. When you spend $50 on a lift ticket you want to get the most of your money. I'd much rather use the poles and be able to skiboard all day.

As far as skiboards go.... there was a million skiboarders / snowbladers at camelback yesterday. The majority of them were on salomon's, alpina's and k2's, etc.. I did see an Oriental couple on really short groove taxi's but other than that I think I was probably the only one there on 4 hole bindings. I was also the only one over 25 years old EASILY.....so that makes me think that the ones complaining about the whole pole issue are between 17 - 25 years old which would explain a lot of things. So if you want to hate a fellow skiboarder for using poles than go ahead.... I'm out there spreading the word about skiboards and SBOL for those people who want to have fun and grow the sport weather they choose to use poles or not doesn't matter to me as long as they know how much fun skiboarding is and what they are missing out on.

[McShane]

i think this thread has got off the line. just don't care about irrelevant things! (i think poles are useless, but i don't mind if someone uses them for THEIR OWN benefit. i would mind if someone - no matter on skiboards, skis, snowboards or nothing - would sit on a jump which i am approaching tho) we're all out of a vehicle after all!

why not just get a cup of kalimatcho and chill?

[zenderfall]

This infighting needs to stop-NOW.

Its bad enough that we, as Skiboarders are starting to get negative attention from other groups out there, we don't need to make it ANY WORSE by poo-pooing each other.

Ride poleless? Awesome.
Ride 4-hole boards? Great.
Ride with poles? FINE. You're still a skiboarder.
Ride 8-hole skiboards? GOOD FOR YOU. Have a great time.

End of topic.

[C.Langer]

what a load of horse@#$% ... some of you kids are seriously misguided. no one should be made to feel wrong for skiboarding any particular way, bottom line. there wouldn't be skiboards around now if it wasn't for the average rider/consumer. i'm sorry if the "hardcore" skiboarders' egos are affected, but i don't see an official skiboarding rule book anywhere. to use someone's analogy of "religion", everyone has the right to pray in their own way. some of us don't have luxury of being able to experience as much skiboarding as others, but that does not mean we love it any less. There are 2 kinds of skiboarders ... the ones that love the physical thrill of skiboarding and those in love with the "image". which are you? if you're in love with riding on snow on skiboards, it's a personal thing and you shouldn't care what others are doing. I can see bagging shotty equipment, but not people for chooosing their own method of doing something that is already different.

[Christian]

ok heres my formal apology,

Im sorry Jeff and Jonny for using your names in there i shouldnt have done that, Im sorry to the pole users who i have offended in this past post, and Im sorry to the people who use 8-hole patterns (chances are you didnt know about the other brands MIXSKIBOARDS.COM).


-------------------- your friend and mine Christian G.

[kirk]

wow, people really care about this... i just think poles are useles... if you need to use them or whatever, go ahead, but i hate when i see people using them just because they think that skiboarding = easy skiing. i want people to know that it isn't skiing, and that we have our own style.

besides that, i hate it when anyone goes off the side of a jump thats made for a rail. the only reason that i hate it more when skiboarders do it: first, that i am a skiboarder, and i want to see more skiboarders actually trying to hit rails and use the park the way everyone else does. second, there generally aren't skiboarders hitting the rails and stuff, so everyone assumes that that is what skiboarding is: people that dont know what they're doing. I don't care if you suck, as long as trying to use the park right. one of the last days last year, there were more skiboarders in the park than snowboarders, and they were all trying to hit this little rail with me. it was great, and it reminded me of how it was before twintips became 'cool'.

[Jordahl]

wow im surprized. skiboarders figthing with other skiboards about something thats not even that big of a fucking deal. if u use poles thats great, it doesnt matter what other people think becuz UR HAVING FUN!!!! 8 hole bindings are good cuz i DO have a pair of 8 hole harts, they are better then my groove and snowjam bindings put to fucking gether becuz theyve never come loose,they dont move, and they're great. about the mountain banning thats REALLY gay. and what kirk says about the skiboards riding off the rail jumps yeah its worse when u see a fellow skiboarder doing it cuz it makes other people think maybe this sport is made for people that could never ski very well or very terribly skilled riders. so yeah its good when u see a shit load of snowbladers or skiboarders trying a rail. it gives people the idea, maybe some are good and maybe this is a fun sport. so they try it and like it there u go.

[sticks]

Well, a lot of the past posts remind me of the old Drew's Skiboard Pages and the something (but not even close) to the Line Blood-boards that shredded so many peoples feelings.

In no way shape or form, am I an authority on skiboarding. I have been involved as a skiboarder long enough to have witnessed some pretty quick trends come to life and fade just as quickly.

Skiboarding has had it's head above and below the waterline for years now and as I had said a little earlier...I think this year has been the most prominent I have seen skiboarding in a good three or four years. Understandibly...the "hardcore" will always piss on the unknowing, the "newbie", or the non-conformist (someone who choses to use poles if they choose)....and they will do this merely because it ISN'T what the typical or the hardcore are doing.

Not that this is a problem...it seems that the only ones who care to discuss it in a public forum of open opinions is us anyways, so if you really take offense to some of the comments, just sit back and watch. If you are the ones who choose to be offensive...understand that once there was a guy who strapped his feet to a single long, pointed, and flat board. He rode mainly at Killington and though many made fun of him, pointed fingers, and called him names...he started a revolution that was eventually accepted and by now, has surely has surpassed the last century of skiing in popularity...and certainly dominates skiboarding due to skiboarding still being relatively young. Mr.Burton didn't give a good god damn what people said or how they ridiculed HIS sport.

And that is about it fella's...you, the riders..regardless of your variation...poles, 8-hole, releasable, non-releasable, Line, Canon, Snowblade, Mix, Risers, Bombers,...you all make this skiboarding what it is and what is has yet to become. Do what you do...and do it to the best of your ability...let everyone else worry about themselves. It's not your place to ridicule. Just think of what those guys who ride shovels down the mountain have to deal with....

Sorry about the rant...it's been a while.

Pray for cold and snow....

Sticks

[Jonny W]

There are 2 kinds of skiboarders ... the ones that love the physical thrill of skiboarding and those in love with the "image". ....
what the fuck is that?
if i didn't love skiboarding in the physical aspect i woudn't be doing it. i can guarentee that i'm not in love with the image, what image are you talking about, have you been out of the loop for like the last 10 years, skiboarding isn't "cool" if i didn't love this sport, i wouldn't be doing it, if i was trying to fit into an image, you would see me on a snowboard, or a pair of twin tip skis everytime i'm out there, but instead out of my sheer enjoyment of the sport i put on skiboards when i go to my hill, and i take shit from people once and awhile, not as much as before. i keep doing it every week, and for someone to say i love the image, i can't sit here and take you seriosly. i love going to the hill and people thinking just because i'm on skiboards i'm gonna fuck shit up. i really don't give 2 shits about this arguement anymore, if you "need" poles, and when i see someone skiboarding i can tell if they "need poles", i don't care use the poles, i think they are useless. but if you are trying to argue with me about the image we hardcore skiboarders are in love with. you must be crazy. man even on the sbol thing i'm pretty sure it says please don't use poles somewhere, have you all tried not using poles, or did you just bring them out your first time cause you were used to skis, and haven't switched. this thing has gone on long to far, i think everyone knows everyone elses stand points on this, but if someone wants to argue more, i'm sure there is more people that can come on here and argue for each side, i don't like poles, unless i'm skiing, when i need to them.
i skiboard cause i like skiboarding not because i'm hard core and cool when i do it.
this is a joke.
blaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh blah blah

[sticks]

Whooh bud...back up a little.

I think you might be taking this a bit to personally. Nowhere in my last post, did I bring up your name. Merely stating my opinion...just like you. If you choose to identify yourself to image-haters, great! Just know, I didn't put you there...you did.

And with your great response, I have nothing else to say but congrats on your unparalleled ability to represent yourself, skiboarding, and unfortunately some people I very much respect in this community.

No, I've never used poles on skiboards.

Grow up.

Sincerely,

Sticks

[Jonny W]

someone tossed my name around, besides what are you saying, i put myself with the image haters? did you read what i wrote

[sticks]

I sure did read it (at least tried my best to)

You contradict yourself as well...

" i don't care use the poles, i think they are useless. but if you are trying to argue with me about the image we hardcore skiboarders are in love with."

And...

"i skiboard cause i like skiboarding not because i'm hard core and cool when i do it."

Now, tell me again how much you ride for the sport or how much you ride for the image...

Did YOU read what you wrote?

[McShane]

hey guys, just cut the crap! do you really think you're gonna change somebody's mind???
seriously! just DO what you feel like doing - skiboard as you see it! (and if you want to change someones "wrong" behaviour, then be rational and give advice/instructions but don't get emotional and personal!)

[sticks]

McShane, there is a big gap between "advice" and "disrespect".

But you're right. I agree, and sorry Greco. Didn't mean to trash up the boards...

Sticks

[McShane]

but one can never teach respect. respect has to be earned

...i guess this goes off the topic...:(

[Jonny W]

sorry i guess my sarcasm cannot be picked up over the internet. the "we hardcore skiboarders that love the image", was just quotes from someone earlier on the board, i was making fun of it, so i actually didn't contridict myself. as well i give my blood sweat time money to this sport, i try to progress the sport to new levels, i tell everyone about skiboarding. obviosly i think some things are more importent then you do, and vice versa. please don't question my commitment to this sport.

[Jonny W]

and drop the image thing, lol that is seriosly not even a good arguement. if i wanted to look cool i would be snowboarding or twin tip skiing all the time as i allready said

[sticks]

You know, I had this whole big long and drawn out reply that was littered with things to make things break even in this back-n-forth. For one, this is a waste of time. Some times people just disagee. I concede that while, you and I might not agree on certain subjects...although...I am still trying to figure out what that is (or was)...I don't think I ever said anything about the poles or anything you said that was deserving of such a flame. Not until you jumped all over a post that did nothing to call you out.

In the great misunderstanding of everything, I am sorry Jonny for anything I said that was offensive to you or unclear. I too have a great love for skiboarding and have been involved with it and it's progression, on many fronts, for a few years now. Neither one of us should have questioned our committment to the sport.

We can both agree that we aren't out there for looks, or the image, or any of that. I love being the minority and frankly wished it would stay that way. You are a team rider, and your representation of skiboarding, SBOL, and skiboarders should be kept at the highest respect...so...Stay professional bro'...not just in the park.

Andy (aka. Sticks)

[Jordahl]

"There are 2 kinds of skiboarders ... the ones that love the physical thrill of skiboarding and those in love with the "image". ....
what the fuck is that?
if i didn't love skiboarding in the physical aspect i woudn't be doing it. i can guarentee that i'm not in love with the image, what image are you talking about, have you been out of the loop for like the last 10 years, skiboarding isn't "cool" if i didn't love this sport, i wouldn't be doing it, if i was trying to fit into an image, you would see me on a snowboard, or a pair of twin tip skis everytime i'm out there, but instead out of my sheer enjoyment of the sport i put on skiboards when i go to my hill, and i take shit from people once and awhile, not as much as before. i keep doing it every week, and for someone to say i love the image, i can't sit here and take you seriosly. i love going to the hill and people thinking just because i'm on skiboards i'm gonna fuck shit up. i really don't give 2 shits about this arguement anymore, if you "need" poles, and when i see someone skiboarding i can tell if they "need poles", i don't care use the poles, i think they are useless. but if you are trying to argue with me about the image we hardcore skiboarders are in love with. you must be crazy. man even on the sbol thing i'm pretty sure it says please don't use poles somewhere, have you all tried not using poles, or did you just bring them out your first time cause you were used to skis, and haven't switched. this thing has gone on long to far, i think everyone knows everyone elses stand points on this, but if someone wants to argue more, i'm sure there is more people that can come on here and argue for each side, i don't like poles, unless i'm skiing, when i need to them.
i skiboard cause i like skiboarding not because i'm hard core and cool when i do it.
this is a joke.
blaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh blah blah"


i agree with pretty much everything there its true and if i wanted the so called "image" i would fucking snowboard. i skiboard cuz its what im good at (not compared to alot of u guys but im good at it compared to like snowboarding and skiing) and its FUN!!! i cant believe that one post could get everyone in such a huge argument and stuff but i have to agree with that post because its relly true. if u use poles fine, but no one rides skiboards for an image unles of course they're retarded...
(sorry if that offended anyone^^)

[Jonny W]

agree to disagree, i'm over it. just in my own defence about the keeping it professional comment, i relieze that when i am on here it is my peers in skiboarding reading the comments, i would never have this sort of conversation with a non skiboarder outside of tis message board. this is the last time i will post on this subject, hopefully one day we will meet and we will understand each others standpoints alittle better. no hard feelings.
easy jonny

[Jordahl]

yep now back to the real subject BRUNO!!!!!