Christians?

[evanthehunter]

hey, I was just wondering if there are any other christian skiboarders? if u didnt know I am a christian myself. Im always available to talk about it, im a nice guy, lol.

[SkaFreak]

After writing my response it was a bit off topic, so in short, I am not a Christian, but there are definitely beliefs that I have drawn from the Christian faith to fit into my personal belief system...

Now for the whole slightly off topic but more explanatory segment:

I personally am not a fan of organized religion as I have seen far too many churches be taken away from their original callings due to politics; however, I fully respect the right of everyone to believe what they want. My view is that everyone should create their own beliefs on their own, and if you find that Christianity fits yours, then it is a great choice for you. I think that the core beliefs of all religions (basically being a decent human being) are a good basis to live off of, and I think is why so many different religions are able to thrive so well. I have my own beliefs that draw from many different religions including Christianity, but are more complex than I would try to convey on an internet forum, not to mention verbally. I also try to make it a point to not to spread it to anyone that does not specifically ask me because I have always been annoyed by the pressure created in some religions to convert others. Anyway, all that being said I am glad that you have personal beliefs that work well for you. Best of luck in your religious pursuits.

[tyberesk]

Born and raised Roman Catholic...but am thinking about converting to lutheran over the summer

[MitchK]

I'm born and raised a Christian, Canadian Reformed to be exact.

[dcox20]

Imperfect Christian here... don't judge me and I'll be glad to return the favor... LOL

[cschratz122]

Imperfect Christian here... don't judge me and I'll be glad to return the favor... LOL

The thing is, i do not believe there is such a thing as a perfect christian being that no one in any shape or form is perfect, no matter what their ego's might tell them:p But i am christian as well, very imperfect as a matter of fact, but i do what i can to keep it straight.:)

[Karl]

Raised Methodist but converted to pretty much SkaFreaks beliefs exactly, kinda weird reading that actually. I was confirmed and everything but seeing so many self proclaimed Christians just really bothered me and I am someone who tries my best to stand behind my beliefs. Maybe it's partly from the small city I grew up in. I've heard we have the most churches per capita. I don't know the exact number but we have more than 20 churches for a town of about 13000.

[bec2745]

Roman Catholic here and still attending church weekly even while at school. Was really involved in Youthgroup at my church untill a few years ago. But I do have to agree with Ska, I tend to have my own beliefs that may or may not totally fit in with "my churches" beliefs, kinda go to chuch for the feel good sensationa and to meet and interact with people that are somewhat likeminded. Eitherway I stick by my beliefs. And I hate talking about religion unless it is explicitly brough up like we have done here. It just dosnt fit in very many situations.

[mahatma]

Christian. Damn good at it too. Ha ha. Just kidding. Embarrassingly flawed. I do not darken the doors of churches but do attend a mens fellowship at least once a week. The way I see it, on Sunday I'd rather be on the slopes praising the Lord than sitting in church thinking about skiboarding.

[cschratz122]

Christian. Damn good at it too. Ha ha. Just kidding. Embarrassingly flawed. I do not darken the doors of churches but do attend a mens fellowship at least once a week. The way I see it, on Sunday I'd rather be on the slopes praising the Lord than sitting in church thinking about skiboarding.

haha my thoughts exactly!!:D

[SkaFreak]

The way I see it, on Sunday I'd rather be on the slopes praising the Lord than sitting in church thinking about skiboarding.

Exactly. In the case of Christianity, or any creationist or nature based religion, I think being outdoors is a much better place to worship than in a manmade building. The times I feel the most spiritual in any way are the times that I am out in the wilderness. Whether it is skiboarding, backpacking, or just wandering half a mile into the foothills to watch a sunset, it just feels better.

[cschratz122]

that's deep man

[Greco]

that's weird, i was just watching this movie (http://www.watch-movies.net/movies/jesus_camp/) and checked the forum to find this thread

[Ian.cap]

that's weird, i was just watching this movie (http://www.watch-movies.net/movies/jesus_camp/) and checked the forum to find this thread

Everyone should see that movie.

[EmptiMind]

that's weird, i was just watching this movie (http://www.watch-movies.net/movies/jesus_camp/) and checked the forum to find this thread

It's a sign!


I am Buddhist.

[evanthehunter]

wow, kool, lots of replies :). im a Baptist and loving it. looks like il be able to skiboard with some of you after death ;)

[mahatma]

This is really a great topic because absolutely anyone I have deep respect for has some form of a spiritual based belief system. Notice I said spiritual based belief. That is much, much different from religion based. Humans created religion in all its' forms. The problem really comes down to that. You see, by very definition I believe my God IS God. As do you. Assuming our concept of God is different in no way means we cannot respect each others view. All the crap that has happened through history is religion based - not spiritual based. This is by absolute design. We were created creatures of choice. There are other unfortunate realities we don't always digest. To believe in absolute good carries the required burden of also believing in absolute evil. Sorry, but it does. Now, that gets all confusing, too. According to my belief system, if you are human you are by definition a child of God. You were born good and that remains. The absolute evil as the absolute good is not physical. They are both always there but not in physical form. We carry out by our deeds the desires of these forces. In a way I find it a great compliment that both sides desperately want all of us on their respective side. Make no mistake. We are desired and heavily recruited assets. The choice is ours. That all said, according to my beliefs, I cannot "earn" my way into heaven. If you think about it, it makes sense. I mean really, what can you do to "earn" eternity. The idea just doesn't pass the sniff test. Eternity is a gift. But even that gets all mucked up. So, you don't have to actually do anything and still get a seat on the eternity bus? Well, no. There is one little requirement and that one little requirement, once met, changes you.

[ElkCloner]

I agree with most of your post Mahatma, except I believe that people are basically evil

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God.

Romans 3:10 There is not one righteous, not one.

There is also no middle ground between righteous and not righteous, or holy and unholy.

[mahatma]

ElkCloner,

I do not find "evil" to be an appropriate translation of "not righteous". Righteous is this context most appropriately translated as "without sin" or "perfect". God did not create garbage. We are intrinsically good.

[mahatma]

ElkCloner,

Sorry, lots of bad grammar there. I hope the point rose above.

[ElkCloner]

I think i get it now

[mahatma]

ElkCloner,

This point is actually very important. This is where so much goes wrong. We were not born defective. To think so is to very literally scorning the work of the All Mighty. We do not have to somehow overcome some horrid, built in nature. Our nature is good. But, as you pointed out we are indeed also flawed by nature. There is only one example of perfection and none of us are it. That little distinction belongs to Jesus Christ. However, and again that in no way implies we are somehow not born with the absolute goodness of the Lord and Savior buried well inside of us. Good is our natural state. When was the last time you did something "bad" and didn't feel "bad" about it? What's that tell you? You are good by your very nature. Your choices are bad. There is a difference. It's a point of responsibility. God is not responsible for the fact you hit your sister. That was a choice. A bad, immature choice. Of course, I have no idea if you have a sister or if you ever hit her. I'm making a point. Know what I mean?

[ElkCloner]

Yeah I see your point

[rie202]

Born and raised christian. Part of the Christian missonairy alliance. And yes i am a christian but i don't consider it a religion. i consider my fath a spirtual connection between me and god. If you get what i am saying like a friendship. it is kind of your own personal connection. But yes i am a christian.

[ElkCloner]

I went to a CMA church for 7-8 years

[JoeyAncz]

that's weird, i was just watching this movie (http://www.watch-movies.net/movies/jesus_camp/) and checked the forum to find this thread

I watched that film last year after it was discussed in my philosophy class. Its very interesting.
I was raised Lutheran, but around the age of 10 i started to question it all. ever since then with the gain of knowledge of science and religion i decided to choose the path of science, to me it is much more interesting and i love to learn about the advances and discovery. not just accept a bronze age belief as fact. I watch alot of documentaries and read alot of articles to try to advance my knowledge of both religion and science.

some of the most resent things i have watched are. 3 of the 7 DVD's of Cosmos: By Carl Sagan, Who Wrote The Bible: Presented by Robert Beckford, Growing Up in the Universe: by Richard Dawkins, Root Of All Evil? : by Richard Dawkins, Religulous, and Zeitgeist ( I also plan to watch Zeitgeist : Refuted which i have on the download.) And i also watched countless youtube videos on science and religion such as potholer54's : From Big Bang to Us -- Made Easy

I recommend all of these videos If these kind of things interest you. You can find all these videos on torrent sites or youtube.

[evanthehunter]

This is really a great topic because absolutely anyone I have deep respect for has some form of a spiritual based belief system. Notice I said spiritual based belief. That is much, much different from religion based. Humans created religion in all its' forms. The problem really comes down to that. You see, by very definition I believe my God IS God. As do you. Assuming our concept of God is different in no way means we cannot respect each others view. All the crap that has happened through history is religion based - not spiritual based. This is by absolute design. We were created creatures of choice. There are other unfortunate realities we don't always digest. To believe in absolute good carries the required burden of also believing in absolute evil. Sorry, but it does. Now, that gets all confusing, too. According to my belief system, if you are human you are by definition a child of God. You were born good and that remains. The absolute evil as the absolute good is not physical. They are both always there but not in physical form. We carry out by our deeds the desires of these forces. In a way I find it a great compliment that both sides desperately want all of us on their respective side. Make no mistake. We are desired and heavily recruited assets. The choice is ours. That all said, according to my beliefs, I cannot "earn" my way into heaven. If you think about it, it makes sense. I mean really, what can you do to "earn" eternity. The idea just doesn't pass the sniff test. Eternity is a gift. But even that gets all mucked up. So, you don't have to actually do anything and still get a seat on the eternity bus? Well, no. There is one little requirement and that one little requirement, once met, changes you.

yes, I agree, we cannot earn our way into heaven, its a gift that we just have to accept. And we accept it by asking Jesus into our hearts, thats it :)
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[mahatma]

Joey and Greco,

Yea, I'm passingly familiar with some of the extreme videos you mentioned. For me, the question is within those videos how much spirituality is going on versus how much religion. It's an absolute litmus test for me. One I have very, very little use for. The other I will not live without. The science side of things has a lot going for it really. But, it will never explain to a believable degree why my wife has such a magical hold on me, why I hear and feel my children when I'm hundreds of miles away (I mean I actually hear and feel them) or why my clothes dryer sporadically eats just one sock.

[JoeyAncz]

The science side of things has a lot going for it really. But, it will never explain to a believable degree why my wife has such a magical hold on me, why I hear and feel my children when I'm hundreds of miles away (I mean I actually hear and feel them) or why my clothes dryer sporadically eats just one sock.

Recently scientists have discover true love and how it works with the use of brain scans. Read the article if your interested.
http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/relationships/article5439805.ece

Maybe Science Cant explain everything now.. but in the future it may with the advances in technology it may.

also people hear voices all the time. In some situations Its a mental illness (Which in the past they thought it meant that the person was possessed by demons) And it can be treated with medication. its just your brain generating the voices.
but i think in your situation it may be that you brain if generating these things to make you feel good..
Well that's just my thought on it. the brain is a mysterious thing but much knowledge has been gained about it and much more will come in the future.

and for the part about the dryer.. isn't it possible that you just put one of the socks in and the other was lost.. or the dryer needs to be repaired because the socks are getting sucked down the drain? lol:D

[EmptiMind]

Actually, a lot of dryers will eat infant socks. I have a friend who had some fancy dryer, and it ate 23 pairs of socks, and one thong before it was discovered. No regular socks though, although it wouldn't surprise me.

[hyperguy]

Post vatican II roman catholic here. As long as I divorce social and cultural skews from the denomination of christianity Im a happy camper.

[Rink]

Hopefully noone thinks I'm jacking here but...

I'm agnostic... and my dryer does not eat my socks. Let that be a lesson for you.

[FightingForAir]

Depends how you want to define Christian.

1. Adherance to the dogma and theology of a specific religious organization which claims to be devoted to a canon of scripture that is generally accepted as the Holy Bible and as inspired, inerrant, and infalliable.

The answer would be no ... I am not.


2. A person striving to encounter God and follow the life and teaching of Jesus as much as possible while fully accepting that any and all righteousness and eternal implications are completely out of my control so my only hope is to trust him and put my faith in him for my fate.

YES. That is me.

[FightingForAir]

"Beware the sound of one hand clapping". For every point, there is a counterpoint ... for every argument, a counter ... and for every genius who makes a case against a creator, there is a scientific genius who holds to intelligent design. True science (that which is observable, testable, and reproducible) reveals far more evidence for creation than for abiogenisis and development of life through only near zero statistical probability, random chance, undirected mutation, etc.

There is no doubt that Richard Dawkins is a brilliant evolutionary biologist, but he is an amateur philosopher at best. If you are tuly seeking truth and fact and are open-minded and you want sound logic, good critical thinking, and an impressive line of argumentation ... you should also include some David Berlinski in your reading.

I personaly know a world class research physicist and volcanologist/geologist who can both easily refute many of the unsubstantiated claims of guys like Dawkins. Don't automatically assume that science equals no God.




I watched that film last year after it was discussed in my philosophy class. Its very interesting.
I was raised Lutheran, but around the age of 10 i started to question it all. ever since then with the gain of knowledge of science and religion i decided to choose the path of science, to me it is much more interesting and i love to learn about the advances and discovery. not just accept a bronze age belief as fact. I watch alot of documentaries and read alot of articles to try to advance my knowledge of both religion and science.

some of the most resent things i have watched are. 3 of the 7 DVD's of Cosmos: By Carl Sagan, Who Wrote The Bible: Presented by Robert Beckford, Growing Up in the Universe: by Richard Dawkins, Root Of All Evil? : by Richard Dawkins, Religulous, and Zeitgeist ( I also plan to watch Zeitgeist : Refuted which i have on the download.) And i also watched countless youtube videos on science and religion such as potholer54's : From Big Bang to Us -- Made Easy

I recommend all of these videos If these kind of things interest you. You can find all these videos on torrent sites or youtube.

[DennisEvans]

Hopefully noone thinks I'm jacking here but...

I'm agnostic... and my dryer does not eat my socks. Let that be a lesson for you.

LOL, I am a proud Atheist but I am not trying to convert anyone here or anywhere.

[mahatma]

Guys, guys guys - the sock thing was a joke. Obviously a very small one. When it comes to human feelings science gets cheap quick. It all comes down to survival and procreation. Sure it does. So, we don't actually "feel". We're just reacting as programmed in order to first stay alive and then to reproduce. Of course, a lot of that is built in - makes perfect sense. But, it doesn't explain enough.

If there is medication that stops me from hearing and feeling my kids when they are nowhere to be found I'll pass. I like them too much. They tell me good things. Share my toys, run everywhere unless you have your bike, Laugh, shamelessly cry when you have to, hug everyone, take afternoon naps. They have it so together.

[JoeyAncz]

im not saying i know that science is right and religion is wrong.. im not trying to offend anyone.
i just like to let people know my beliefs just as you like to let people know that all of you that posted are Christian.
no one yet know where or what we came from. thats the one thing i dislike about religion. It gives people the idea that they know for a fact that we were created by god in the garden of Eden when all signs in our DNA and makeup lead most scientists to believe that Homosapien's originated in Africa after evolving from Homoerectus and then migrated to other continents. im not trying to change anyone's mind. religion is a good thing is someways because it teaches people to be good but in other ways its bad because of all the wars fought over it.

I was raised christian from the day i was born, i still go to church sometime because it makes my mom happy and its nice to see all the friendly faces i have seen for the past 20 years (not because of God/Jesus). Its not a bad thing, to me.. its just less believable/interesting than science.

[mahatma]

Please do not misunderstand me. I was in no way offended. I won't even begin to believe science when it comes to creation until it can reasonably explain the human eye. Darwin himself admitted to huge gaps in his theory - not the least of which being the fossil record doesn't support his theory of evolution. I'm not hip to the whole religious thing. Hell, what you said is a very typical reason you'll not find me in church. You show up for the social points. That's religion. I'm not particularly interested in much that is man-made on this topic. There are some positive social and behavioral thing that can come from religion but history has shown we can't handle that. We take the shit too far. Maybe we're trying to play God just a little when we do that. I don't know. But I do know I choose to stay away from that element. I study, I read/research and discuss matters/questions with a small group I belong to. It absolutely helps to discuss something as important as belief systems. But, again I just don't do the religious thing.

[JoeyAncz]

sorry for kindof hijacking this thread to discuss evolution and creation. i just created a new one so if anyone wants to discuss it

http://www.skiboardsonline.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=7281