270 on, FS stepover bindsoul 180 out

[SkaFreak]

Ok, I was bored and browsing NS and found this video. All I can say is wow.

Can't find any way to embed it, so you have to follow this link (http://newschoolers.com/web/mediacontests/showentry/cid/15/id/508/)

[Courtney]

That's crazy. He makes it look so easy. Very smooth.

[tyberesk]

Ok, I was bored and browsing NS and found this video. All I can say is wow.

Can't find any way to embed it, so you have to follow this link (http://newschoolers.com/web/mediacontests/showentry/cid/15/id/508/)

ive been saying lately i think that is the future of skiboarding....inline grinds/deviations are something that can be really sick/tweaked on skiboards

[mctwist311]

pretty smooth

[SkaFreak]

ive been saying lately i think that is the future of skiboarding....inline grinds/deviations are something that can be really sick/tweaked on skiboards

True, but in order for that to mean anything people have to start throwing stuff that looks good. So far the only inline crossover grinds that I have seen pulled off on skiboards are souls and pornstars, neither of which look very good. The reason that this one is so absurd is that he never interrupts his motion at all. It is all fluid, no jerky motions to get anything in, etc. Same reason why I love Ben's style. Ben looks even better in person than he looks in video.

[nate]

woah...i don't even know what just happened, but it was sweet.

[tyberesk]

True, but in order for that to mean anything people have to start throwing stuff that looks good. So far the only inline crossover grinds that I have seen pulled off on skiboards are souls and pornstars, neither of which look very good. The reason that this one is so absurd is that he never interrupts his motion at all. It is all fluid, no jerky motions to get anything in, etc. Same reason why I love Ben's style. Ben looks even better in person than he looks in video.



man like pornsars,mizous, tabernacles, kindgrinds can look sick, esp when there done alleyoop and all. Switchups into/outof them are sick

I know kirk/joey throw like frontsides to fastslides

and like frontsides into mizous/tabernacles and out and al

[SkaFreak]

Yeah, the one footed grinds are all fine, but that's because they are no more specific to rollerblading than any other ski grinds short of nose/tails presses. Just anything where you have to get your feet out far enough to get into the position for the grind and most grinds that have your boards at 90 degree angles (souls, etc.) just don't look fluid enough to me. Basically, all the grinds that would only be doable on skiboards either just by nature or because nobody has actually made them look good. Kirk has come the closest to making them look good of anyone, but even with him they seem a little bit forced.

[nate]

http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/cache/images/1225649702-692471-600x401-1225649447DSC_2109.JPG

This is kinda a makio, regardless of what you call it, a sick shot.

[rie202]

at first i thought those were snoboards on each foot. haha

[tyberesk]

kindgrinds thrown by kirk probably look more solid than any other person doing frontsides and backsides....and he gets into them so effortless and all. I know that these kind of grinds will be the future of skiboarding, its just a matter of time.

I do NOT think that a soulplate should ever/will be sucessful in skiboarding, but definently rollerblade influenced grinds/styles/flair will play a huge part in the development of the sport in the future along with the "gangsta newschool" style as well. I'm thinking that skiboarding will be a combination of these 2 sports in the future....and im hoping to see some amazing urban footage in the next few years.

[nate]

How do you do a topside trick on skiboards? Just put it sideways on the box?

[tyberesk]

How do you do a topside trick on skiboards? Just put it sideways on the box?

ummm when it comes to skiing/skiboarding....we should have differnet lingo, but because our sport has always featured alot of skaters...the skating lingo has always stuck. It is one thing that makes us different from skiing....while we may share the same terms for aerial tricks, when it comes to rail tricks....we are completely different.


When we put the skiboard vertical on a box/rail.....we kinda count that as the soul foot....at least lingo-wise. Technically were not "locking a soul on"....but we just use those trick names

[nate]

Right, but how can you count mizou and kindgrind as different tricks if you're not putting your foot flat, like on a topside grind?

[kirk]

If anyone has MMVM and a capture card, someone needs to capture the inline grinds from those days. Skiboards on shotgun rails let you do soul tricks...

http://www.skiboardmagazine.com/stills/038.jpg

Too bad everything these days is just boxes....

[EmptiMind]

Wow... That was pretty insane. I'm going to hurt myself trying that tomorrow. :D

[SkaFreak]

Here is just my final 2 cents since I doubt this thread is going to go anywhere. I think the biggest progression in any kind of "extreme" sport over the past few years is fluidity, flow, and style mixed with innovation. Now copying tricks from other sports is not particularly innovative unless something is tweaked to create something new. Now kirk throws down solid souls, doesn't struggle getting in or out, etc. However, just the nature of the stance is unnatural. Looking at that picture he looks somewhat contorted to be in the position. Now if someone could figure out a way that didn't look quite so awkward, I would have no problem with it, but it just looks off with having to have the front board so far out in front of you. Now in the video, the rider figured out a way to create the same basic motion but removed the need to put one of his skis so far by dropping his other ski off the rail and riding his boot. This is the kind of innovation that could set the sport apart, not simply copying tricks that look good on skates but not on skiboards.

Another example of how tricks can't simply be transfered and expected to work would be a cess slide. On skis/skiboards this in essence would either be just a hockey stop, or off of a jump would be washing out a landing. On a box your center of gravity would be off from being able to hold it for any sustained time, and you would end up basically laying down on the box. Enter the hand drag. Throw a hand behind you, lean back, and you are basically doing an assisted cess slide down the box. Now sure there is a debate in the ski world about whether hand drags look good or not, but it's the idea behind it.

[Kirk S]

http://www.skiboardmagazine.com/stills/038.jpg




tussy is funny

[kirk]

Hey andrew, have you seen MMVM? They made the sould tricks in that video look amazing... That picture I posted was from 6 seasons back, long before I knew what made a trick look cool, stylish, or smooth - I was just trying to imitate what I saw in MMVM at the time. In retrospect, the key to make souls like that look good is to squat low and bend your knees, just like on skates.

However, I do feel what you are saying. It is hard to make things that aren't natural look good. Personally, I wasn't really impressed with that clip... it just reminds me of things I've seen Hardcore doing for years now... basically just falling onto your knees in different positions. That guy only slid that grind for about a foot too... Sure, it looked 'smooth', but I can't say much more than that. On the other hand, that line circus video where they are throwing those on actual rails is probably my favorite footage of skiing ever.

Second chance.. anyone with MMVM and a capture card?

[nate]

An interesting idea as far as those grinds go is putting one ski on top of the other. On that same NS competition there was a clip, called oreo grind or something, but it was really just an acid grind. Instead of trying to get the sideways ski way out in front, he just put it on top of his "soul" ski. It didn't look great, yet, but it looked like it had a sliver of potential.

And really, you're probably right, this isn't going to go anywhere much, and I hate to beat a dead horse, but at the same time I think it's a really intersting question.

[SkaFreak]

Kirk, no I have not seen MMVM yet, but like I said, if someone can make it look good, then that is awesome. I just have not seen anyone that I thought looked good in it myself. If someone has a copy of MMVM that they could part with for a while, I have a video capture card and could throw you back a digital copy or mail it back to you.

Kirk, the thing that I really really like about the skier that I haven't seen hardcore do is the constant flow of the momentum. The only grind that I remember seeing video of him of that kind are pornstars, and those it just looks forced. It's not so much the technical aspect of the grind that I am amazed by. I guess in my style of riding I care far more about how smooth something feels and looks than I am on how difficult it is. The rider in that video never goes against his momentum, but is able to it by drop into the second grind and use the moementum from that kneedrop to come off the rail so smoothly. Now I'm not very good in the park so I'll explain this in a way that works better for me. In big mountain riding you have skiers that are riding disgustingly icy, steep couloirs and basically just hop turning down them, and then you have the riders that will ride huge mountains, deep powder, laying down big, deep turns. I much prefer the latter even though in some cases the more technical sections are probably way more difficult. In cliffs it would be the difference between a guy taking one solid 15 foot cliff and another guy navigating down a triple set of 10 foot cliffs where he comes to a dead stop on each step to set up right for the next cliff.

[nate]

Acid (http://newschoolers.com/web/mediacontests/showentry/cid/15/id/503/)
Pornstar (http://newschoolers.com/web/mediacontests/showentry/cid/15/id/502/)

from NS

[SkaFreak]

Yeah, I watched all of the videos from the competition, but those just look hideous to me. Just to get your legs around to get into the grind look like they are flailing and having to try too hard for it to look good.

[nate]

I agree, but at the same time I want someone to figure out how to do it right, because it seems like it *should* be doable. But maybe not, who knows.

I want to see MMVM, whatever it is.

It would seem Roussel, has, or at least had, it.
http://www.skiboardmagazine.com/archives/reviews/mmvm.html

[EmptiMind]

I'd really like to see MMVM. If anyone actually gets it captured, feel free to send me a copy.

[kirk]

I use to have it... but it disappeared...

[burnddice]

i feel stupid but what is MMVM?

[kirk]

its an old skiboarding video... came out in 2002 I think. It was made by the guys who ran D-Structure, and it was absolutely amazing... I'd upload it, but I lost my copy...

[Kirk S]

MMVM = Mother Milk Video Magazine

[DennisEvans]

I saw a guy try to do this grind today, it was incredible...He missed it by mere inches.