edges or grindplates

[kirk]

I was wondering how many people would prefer boards with an H-block like the weapons.

[shantz24]

well ive never ridden the weapons with the inserts but id love to try. i have a problem keeping my momentum going forward when i turn so i just fall off the side of the rail alot.

kirk did you get that PM i sent you?

[Courtney]

definately plates

[bailey]

plates with no grooves

[Roussel]

plates with no grooves is useless.

[bailey]

uuh no.. grooves are cheating.. the only reason i would want them is to prevent delamination and not worrying about damaging edges

[kevinb]

ultimate skiboard would be like a snowboard jib board. either all super hard plastic edges or an 8 inch long grind plate(h block) with plastic edges but no grooves, because we all know grooves are for pussies who dont know how to grind.

kevin

[marcolo86]

How do grooves exactly look?

[kirk]

I think that if you made grindplates without grooves, that they would develop eventually anyway. on my boards, the groove was origionally only in the middle of the plate, but its grown to the size of the whole plate just like a pair of skate frames would when they get worn. The groove is only really a guide for future wear.

I definately wouldn't call the grooves cheating tho. They don't hold you onto a rail like hblocks on a skates do, but they make it a ton smoother because you don't have a 90 degree egde digging in. They also keep your speed up a lot better because of the less friction.

Personally, i think they are an innovation that opens up possibilities, like the 2 wheel skate frames have been for rolling, or even the anti-rocker wheel back in the day. I spend most of my time on rails anyway, might as have everything done to my boards to make them fill their purpose better.

Thats just me tho...

[Roussel]

u know what i think 100 cm boards is cheating, way too much stability, im going on salomon groms this season. anything over 70 cm is for pussies who cant control their boards. :P

[bailey]

i dont really see how the grooves wouldnt hold you in...

[Roussel]

they really hold u in, its just u wont catch and edge with them.

[Jonny W]

that makes no sense, its a plastic soul plate, what edge do you have to catch? haha. i'm with bailey and kev no groove, you can work your own into a grind plate. no heres the thing, someone make them, is anybody listening?

[kirk]

If you could royale them like skates, they'd hold you on the rail great, but the problem is that skiboots don't have backslide/royale grooves, so anytime you lean into both grooves, they'll come out from under you. It happens too me a ton on c-rails, cause im so use to royaling through them on skates. If the groove was carved into the base instead of just the sidewalls, they would hold you on the rail for sure, but that would effect performance far too much to really help.

like... on a pair of skates, when you hit your h-block, you slide right deep into the groove and it holds you there. on the weapons, you're still riding at least one board flat on the base, so it doesn't help as much as like it does on skates.

[shantz24]

hey kirk, hate to bother you but could you check your pm.

and i forgot to put it in the pm but i talked to my dad and he thinks he mighta burnt up his buffer making my plate. but ill know tomorrow for sure. if not it should take long to finish. if he did i can still do it just take a little longer to get done. also if you could measure from the inside screws on your binding to the outside edge of your boots that would great. that way i know if you need the extended one. thanks alot.

[Roussel]

johnny i think ur confeusing grind palte with soul plates

[Jonny W]

i meant grind plate,
but again how exactly do you catch an edge on a plastic grind plate roussel.

[Roussel]

skiboard have metal edges...

the grooves in the plates have no metal edge, meaning u cant catch an edge. the salomons with grind plates had edges, so ur edge could catch.

i think grind plates are completly useless without grooves.

[kirk]

Yea, those salomon grind plates were a joke... I really got ripped off when I bought them. I think what jonny means tho, is have a section of the board with plastic sides and no edges, just never physically carve the little grooves into the sides. It would definately be better than regular boards, but personally, I'd still wamt to carve the grooves into them because they're gonna develop anyway.

[Branden]

Grind plates in general are for people that cant grind!! haha j/k.

I personally dont use them, and I think if you can get better without them then do that. I can grind on my twin tips without a grind plate. Once you go from a ski to a skibaord its all cake. Try demo'ing a pair of 1080's for a day, practice grinding all day. Then go back to your boards you'll look like a champ.

**Branden

[bailey]

like i said, the only reason i think skiboards should have an H-block is to prevent damage to the board while doing rails
grooves shouldnt be neccessary.. let them develop on their own

[Roussel]

i think grind plates and grooves are proggression, even if it makes rails easier it adds a whole new dimension to riding rails. like soul plates.

[Jordahl]

im all for edges. part of the reason is cuz up at the ridge, they have a gapped rail, and its slanted down a little bit but looks flat completly. the jump is always changing cuz of shitty riders during the week. so the first time i hit it i always lean back a lil too much, if i had a plate i would rail my head EVERY single time and i used to wana try them but i saw a few kids lean back n fall a lot

[Jonny W]

hey, bailey has it right on, thats what i have been trying to say, haha rousell, we're just good enough that we don't need grooves in the plate. keeeeeploooowwww!

[Roussel]

thats like saying, im too good to use 100cm so im gonna ride 60cm.

[Jordahl]

aah, ill stick with 82s

[Jonny W]

man all i need is 2 planks of wood, duct tape and a pair of work boots and i'm good to ride.

[Jordahl]

yeah that would be great for the next bentfilms movie lol

[Joi]

i might have 2 try that 1..

[hardcorekillme]

i invented a new board with magents that prevents you from falling off any rail...any one interested in buying a pair only $777,777.77 a steal

[evanthehunter]

Plates for sure

[Mark]

kirk as im sure you know the weapons make zero difference unless its a handrail type rail ( round ) i stil have my weapons but they are pretty much spares still... i actually didnt like them on flat rails because sometimes you fall into that groove unexpectedly, ifyou're going round rails though they're the grizz nizzly.


i like the slight friction of edges though...

[winterparkrider]

H- blocks and grind plates are like training wheels on your first bike. I think that they are piontless and ruin the design of a base.