HELP!! dont know what to choose

[jodysantamaria]

hi all,

im jody (16 man belgium), im willing to start with skiboarding.. but i founded out that they are so maney different kinds and lengths can somebody tell me what the best option is for going fast, doing tricks and going off the pist. And whats the best length?
pls can you help me out here...
and what kind of bindings/ boots

[jodysantamaria]

ow yeah im also like a small guy of 167 cm and my weight is 58 kg

[DanielB]

Can you get a hold of those new Loken Industries boards?

Also, I'd start 90cm for you, or 900mm if you prefer.

Twin Tip, wide boards (Example, Spruce Mountain Board would be too narrow.)

Also a fixed binding should be fine. A Bomber Elite would be great.

Don't know how much $$ you plan on spending.

Also the boot is very important. You want to do tricks? You could use a light weight boot. The Rossi Soft 3 people are raving about.

When you go to the shops, look for light boots. They will probably be a "soft boot" model.

Or get sized in the shops and buy the boots online. If you have a small foot you may find a great deal on leftover stock of uncommon sizes. I think there is a boot on this site that is a good deal, but only some sizes left.

[jodysantamaria]

hey thanks for the info
but aitn 90 cm not to big?
and euh do you have a link from this site for good soft boots, and i have a site 39-40 in europe i think thats a 6,5 in us

thanks man

[DanielB]

This is not soft, but a great boot for Fixed (NON-release bindings)

A Mondo 24 may work great for you. A Mondo 24 is a shell for 24 and 24.5. You should try on some Mondo 24 boots at a shop.


http://www.skiboardsonline.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=SBOL&Product_Code=raichle_sb413l&Category_Code=boots

http://www.skiboardsonline.com/Merchant2/graphics/raichle/raichle_sb413L.gif

[jodysantamaria]

so those boots, (raichle) + loken industries off 90 cm which kind of bindings?

those taichle boots arent soft ones, is that important or are the hard ones better to ski with for tricks and stuf?

[DanielB]

This should help:

http://www.nautisport.cl/catalog/index.php?cPath=23&osCsid=bc6d514e7fd4c5dd45dba1cc49674527

Here:
http://www.nautisport.cl/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=109&osCsid=bc6d514e7fd4c5dd45dba1cc49674527

[DanielB]

Here's the Soft 2 and 3 also:

http://www.nautisport.cl/catalog/index.php?cPath=23_33&sort=5a&page=2

I think this is a belgium site.


The Raichle's are freeride performance boots. They were used for years by 'Line' as a skiboard boot. I think they are lighter weight then an average skiboot. I don't have them. I'm sure some people on this board have the Raichles.

As for the Rossi Soft Boot. I heard they are great for Skiboarding. I'm considering them. The links I sent you are for the Soft 1, 2, and 3.

I imagine the Soft 3 is the most current design and probably has the best support.

[jodysantamaria]

can i find bindings on that site?
which bindign do i need for those raichle boots

[DanielB]

Fixed (non-release) bindings only for the Raichles.

Bombers are the best Non-Release binding.

http://www.skiboardsonline.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=SBOL&Product_Code=bomber_elite&Category_Code=bomber

On this site. Not sure where to find them overseas.

[jodysantamaria]

so okej

loken industry 90 cm
Raichle SB 413 3 Buckle Hard Shell Snowboard Boots
Bomber Elite Bindings

this would do you think?

but i thought first to buy smalles skiboard like 78 cm or stuff, or are these to small for tricks and stuf.. on the intro of this site you have a small video , what are they skiing with? smal or 90 cm?

[DanielB]

Originally posted by jodysantamaria
so okej

loken industry 90 cm
Raichle SB 413 3 Buckle Hard Shell Snowboard Boots
Bomber Elite Bindings

this would do you think?

but i thought first to buy smalles skiboard like 78 cm or stuff, or are these to small for tricks and stuf.. on the intro of this site you have a small video , what are they skiing with? smal or 90 cm?

Well the smallest Loken looks like 945 mm.
The Raichle boots would be great with the Bomber bindings, Yes.

But I do recommend getting sized for boots or speaking to someone on this board who uses the Raichle boots. Maybe make a specific thread asking that.

Now the Rossignol Soft boot 3 would be my first choice, if you can get a good deal. But I did here good things about the Raichles.

The Rossis would work with a releasable binding also. The Raichles only fixed binding.

But fixed is fine. Fixed is great. Bombers are lightweight, indestructible, ride great.

See if you are a Mondo 24 or Mondo 24.5.

[jodysantamaria]

so if i get bomber bindinges i can chose between those rossignol and raichle.. those rossignol how much to they cost.. and my mondo is 25,5-26

[DanielB]

Originally posted by jodysantamaria
so if i get bomber bindinges i can chose between those rossignol and raichle.. those rossignol how much to they cost.. and my mondo is 25,5-26

I posted some links right above. I think it was a belgium website.

See if they have your size.

Also, you sure you are a Mondo 25? Most people think they are a size bigger than they really are.....

[jodysantamaria]

lets say im a 24,5-25 for sure!
i see the links but no rossignol link...and i dont see that belgium link:confused:

[DanielB]

It wasn't belgium site. I'll look.

Go to you google website and type "Rossignol Soft 3"

[PureVenom]

I use the Deeluxe lemans which is the same exact boot as the sb 413 since raichle no longer makes ski boots only hiking boots. I have to say those are by far the best boots ive ever owned. Moldable liners,microbuckle system,adjustable canting and 5 pos. forward lean,freewalk mode,they kick ass. As far as the loken ind. boards go...No one here knows how good the boards really are.They have never been tested or ridden by anyone here. I would suggest you get a pair of Mx(if you can wait) or go bid on these Canon M7 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16062&item=7131723617&rd=1 or these bullets http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16062&item=7133146147&rd=1

Both are excellent boards with VERY good bindings. The seller is int'l as you can tell by the price in GBP. Hope this helped a bit.

[DanielB]

Originally posted by PureVenom
I use the Deeluxe lemans which is the same exact boot as the sb 413 since raichle no longer makes ski boots only hiking boots. I have to say those are by far the best boots ive ever owned. Moldable liners,microbuckle system,adjustable canting and 5 pos. forward lean,freewalk mode,they kick ass. As far as the loken ind. boards go...No one here knows how good the boards really are.They have never been tested or ridden by anyone here. I would suggest you get a pair of Mx(if you can wait) or go bid on these Canon M7 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16062&item=7131723617&rd=1 or these bullets http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16062&item=7133146147&rd=1

Both are excellent boards with VERY good bindings. The seller is int'l as you can tell by the price in GBP. Hope this helped a bit.

That's good advice, see the Raichle's are perfect for the Bombers (purevenom has bombers). Get sized so you can grab them while the price is right.

Now those M7s I cannot recommend :|

But those Bullets, Yes Sir!!

But he's already near Loken headquarters. He can be the first to try it. :)

[PureVenom]

Actually these style boots fit all bindings very well....they fit my line cams as well as my line pros and my bombers. The boots are the same as any other boot except the heal is kind of slanted in the back down to the bottom of the heal. This is because these are hardshell snowboard boots/skiboard boots.Also there is nothing wrong with Canon M7's. I have friends that ride the M7 and the heritage and they are good. Im not really big on the thias bindings on them but Kirk rides em and he has never had a problem. The bullets though....I'd go with those before the M7's anyday but keep in mind that they are NOT 50/50 tip and tail height.

[DanielB]

Use your Search engines and look for an online store in Europe that carries:

Raichle SB 413

or

Rossignol Soft Light 3


Good luck. Let me know what you found.

[DanielB]

Originally posted by PureVenom
Actually these style boots fit all bindings very well....they fit my line cams as well as my line pros and my bombers. The boots are the same as any other boot except the heal is kind of slanted in the back down to the bottom of the heal. This is because these are hardshell snowboard boots/skiboard boots.Also there is nothing wrong with Canon M7's. I have friends that ride the M7 and the heritage and they are good. Im not really big on the thias bindings on them but Kirk rides em and he has never had a problem. The bullets though....I'd go with those before the M7's anyday but keep in mind that they are NOT 50/50 tip and tail height.

I hear you PureVenom. I'd rather his first experience be on a 50/50 too.

I think he should start out with 90cm too, if possible. He is 5'5" I think and a first timer. The Canon Heritage. If he can find one in Europe, great. He can always move the Bombers over to something else if need be :)

[Greco]

fyi, we ship everything we sell to all parts of the world via US Global Express mail for very reasonable rates. shop in our store, enter your items into the shopping cart and click 'checkout'. On the 2nd checkout page will be the shipping options.

G

[PureVenom]

He can also buy right here. Greco sells the Deeluxe lemans and also the SB 413. The 413 though does not have the moldable liner but is way more affordable. I would suppot SBOL and buy here. If it were me in your situation looking for a good setup....if you CAN'T wait for mix boards and you are looking to spend little money I would go with the SB413's and the Canon Heritage(great boards)w/bomber bindings or even cheaper and still some good boards would be the snojam 90's w/bomber or the extreme II bindings and you will be set. If money and time is not an issue than go with any set of Mix boards with bomber bindings and the Deeluxe lemans boots. You won't be disapointed either way I would think.

[DanielB]

Originally posted by PureVenom
He can also buy right here. Greco sells the Deeluxe lemans and also the SB 413. The 413 though does not have the moldable liner but is way more affordable. I would suppot SBOL and buy here. If it were me in your situation looking for a good setup....if you CAN'T wait for mix boards and you are looking to spend little money I would go with the SB413's and the Canon Heritage(great boards)w/bomber bindings or even cheaper and still some good boards would be the snojam 90's w/bomber or the extreme II bindings and you will be set. If money and time is not an issue than go with any set of Mix boards with bomber bindings and the Deeluxe lemans boots. You won't be disapointed either way I would think.

Hey, If Shipping is a good price, then yea:

-Go 413 with Snojam and Extreme II (If $money is an issue)

-413 and Bomber and Heritage. (I think the way to go if $ isn't an issue.) He can get the great deal because his size will be available here.

The Lemans, great if you have a lot of money $ to spend and get the liner done at the shop etc. I think he wants to "plug and play."

Why wait for Mix? This guy sounds ready to go straight away.

He can put his Bombers on a Mix board next year.

[jodysantamaria]

i have to say i really like those bullets...
but can i wear them with evry boots?
if you think they aint good enough or if you know like something better tell me then wich board, bindings and boots you think is good to start

[DanielB]

Originally posted by jodysantamaria
i have to say i really like those bullets...
but can i wear them with evry boots?
if you think they aint good enough or if you know like something better tell me then wich board, bindings and boots you think is good to start

yes, any boot.

The Bullets are an amazing board. They are just not as easy to perform tricks (Land Jumps, ride Rails) because they aren't a 50/50 board; the binding is not right in the middle of board. It is set back to help you carve better.

I use them to scream down the mountain. I have landed some small jumps with them. I haven't tried using them on the rails.

But yes, you could'nt go wrong with them. And you can always move those great FFPro bindings to another 50/50 Board in the Future.

What you could do is Grab the Snowjam 90s (without bindings) also and switch up the FFPro bindings whenever you want to either carve all day or try your hand at tricks.

[PureVenom]

Boots are first priority. If you are not comfortable then your riding will be compromised and you will not have any fun.

ALL REGULAR SKIBOOTS AND HARDSHELL SNOWBOARD BOOTS FIT SKIBOARD BINDINGS.

The bullets are great boards if you can get them and those bindings on them are great but if you want new I would do the Canon heritage w/bomber bindings. Actually the Canon are a bit wierd to the eye though...the tail looks higher than the nose. My girl rides those and loves them. The snow jams are 50/50 tip & tail height and also (like the Canons) are good beginer/intermediate boards. Just go with the bomber bindings or the extreme II binding. Both are good solided aluminum bindings(even the toe lever). Either way when you are ready to advance to new boards all you will have to buy are boards and just switch the bindings over.

[PureVenom]

Personally....I would(if I were a beginer) do the Deeluxe lemans boots(unless they are too much for you then I would do the SB413) with a set of Snowjam 90's (2003 model) and Bomber or extreme II bindings.

[jodysantamaria]

well thanks but im doubting about those bullets from ebay...
maybe its fake?
but i think they are good enough to start with?
i mean i aint going to do like direct big jumps or big tricks?
or something...
i need to know if should buy them

[Greco]

if you're worried about buying from Ebay we should have some bullets and mn pro's towards the end of the week.

g

[jodysantamaria]

ow, but what would they cost.. i already bought soem stuff for my motor on ebay and it went well...i just wanted to know if they are good enough to start with, and indeed i could use those bindings on other boards(50/50 to learn tricks) dont i?

[jodysantamaria]

okej i want someones opinion

are these skiboards and the bindings good?


http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16062&item=7133146147&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

just let me know, can i use the bindings on a later 50/50 bord or do the bindings suck

[PureVenom]

Like I keep saying....YES those are good...they are not fakes and the bindings are excellent. Just be aware that they are not 50/50 tip/tail and the bindings sit further back on the boards as opposed to center.

[PureVenom]

These are strictly carving boards. NOT good for jumping/park riding.

[jodysantamaria]

so that means they are only good for going fast? or what?:D

[PureVenom]

Yep!! Hence the name "Bullets".

[jodysantamaria]

ow yeah that make sence as fast as a bullet, well because i live in belgium and we anly have this small fake pists, i can better start off with those + buy boots that i learn how to ride it and stuff and when its like october 2005 i can buy a 50/50 board.
and switch with those bindings and boots in which im feeling to ride?

[PureVenom]

Honestly I would start of with a set of all mountain style boards with 50/50 tip/tail. Instead of something that is only good for one thing.

[jodysantamaria]

okej then.. what do you sugest...
which brand/ type

[PureVenom]

like I said: Snojam 90's (2003 model) with the extreme II bindings. 199.00 here at SBOL. This is a good set of starter boards. Or the Canon heritage w/ extreme II bindings. If you can afford bomberrs then go for those.

[jodysantamaria]

okej i think those snowbjams are nice... also good for tricks so thatsalways nice.. i think im going for the bombers.. because.. its one thing that you buy onces... later i can put these on a better bord.. if you know what i mean.. and now still one thing.. boots.. but not boots from 350$ !!

[PureVenom]

If you can't go for the Deeluxe lemans then go for the SB413 here on SBOL. About 175.00. They are great boots as well. Ask Greco about these boots for sizing and stuff. He will help you with anything you need. Good choice on the bombers and snowjam 90's.

[jodysantamaria]

im going for the Raichle SB 413 3 Buckle Hard Shell Snowboard Boots , and i think im going ot look for them in belgium store for the PERFECT size , if i find them here...

hej thanks for all your help dude

[PureVenom]

Good choice....no worries bro...glad I could help...jusy hollar if you need anything else.:D

[jodysantamaria]

FOR FUCK SAKE!! now that i finnally decide that i wanna buy thos snowjam 90cm , im starting to doubt, i took a wooden stock, plank, and i measured 90 cm and i must say , i feels rather long...

[Greco]

how tall are you?

[jodysantamaria]

small dude im like 1 meter 65-67 cm dont now how much inch that is

[Greco]

you're about 5 feet and 2 or 3 inches. that's tall enough for 90's. recommended height for 90's is 5 feet. what is your experience level on skiboards, skis and / or inline skates/ice skates?

g

[jodysantamaria]

i skied like for 2-3 years, but its so bored... so i went like last year skiboarding in a fake pist here in belgium... but i didnt remember that quit so good.. skating i did that when i was like 12 and i was pretty good and ice skating... evrybody knows how to ice skate..
ow yeah i did also some snowboard lessons

[Greco]

so if you think you'll pickup skiboarding pretty quick and will feel comfortable on them plus you like going fast while carving hard then go with the 90cm snowjams. if you want skiboards that are going to be hyper maneuverable and very easy to control and don't care about carving while going very fast then go with the 75's. another reason to go with the 75's is if you're going to be worried about the length of the 90's, which it sounds like you might. note: i'm about 1.9 meters and i started on 76cm boards and had a great time the whole first season. (that was my only option back in '97)

g

[jodysantamaria]

i dotn only want to go fast.. i also want to learn trick, because here in belgium i can olny go to small fake pists, but the pist have always a fun park (which dont have to be big to learn tricks) so okej 75's but are the snowjams good for tricks and stuf?

[Greco]

yes, go with the 75's and extreme II's and in the future you can always upgrade the boards or the bindings because they both use the universal 4x4 binding pattern.

g

[DanielB]

Originally posted by jodysantamaria
FOR FUCK SAKE!! now that i finnally decide that i wanna buy thos snowjam 90cm , im starting to doubt, i took a wooden stock, plank, and i measured 90 cm and i must say , i feels rather long...

It's not that long. I'm doing inches here, are you 5 feet 5 inches tall?

Well, If you are a lot shorter than you can go smaller:

If you get the Extreme II Bindings or Bomber Bindings, you can get the SnowJam 75s and move them to a longer board in the future.

[DanielB]

Whoops, I see this convo has already gone on here and the conclusion was right where I was headed.

Damn email response links :D
haha

[jodysantamaria]

lol yeah it has...

so okej snowjams 75 with extreme bindings...
no bomber bindings?
man im a nagger :D :D :D

[DanielB]

Originally posted by jodysantamaria
lol yeah it has...

so okej snowjams 75 with extreme bindings...
no bomber bindings?
man im a nagger :D :D :D

Me... I would go Bomber Elite, because they are simply the best. They will last for a lifetime.

And you can put them on another board when you get better.

You can re-use the Snowjams Ext II also, but they aren't a lifetime binding like the Bomber. Either will be fine.

[Greco]

i agree, the bombers are the best by far.

[jodysantamaria]

so okej ,

snowjams 75 with bomber bindings...
boots ill buy here...
thank you guys

[PureVenom]

Bout time...lol.....I think thats a great combo. Bombers and 75cm boards. Just remember though...like G said those arent going to be that great outside the park. As far as carving and speed goes anyway. You will be able to do it don't get me wrong but it will be a bit shakey. The shorter the boards the less stable they are and the less surface area on the snow so you sacrifice speed. But if your looking to go learn tricks then yes...those are your boards.

[Jordahl]

dont go with the heritages with bombers, i thought u were gona go for those but im glad you didnt. i was talking to tibor and he said something about the bombers base plate didnt flex with the boards which was causing alot of boards to delam. so ud be out of boards in a hurry

[shantz24]

tibor said not to use bombers with the heritages? i dont like that since i have bombers and am now just waiting for my replacement board from tibor. broke one of my heritage boards first time out this year. only the third time i used them so i guess that wouldnt be enough time for them to delaminate. but i have a lot of riding in the near future so im hoping everything is ok.

[Jordahl]

dont ride them on jumps that are steep or the pipe if u can cuz thats where boards use the most flex i suppose. but if u can just get new bindings. yeah the baseplate is rubbing against the board so its causing them to delam.

[shantz24]

alright thanks. ive just been hitting the park with my weapons anyway. but i do have a set of ff cams lying around so ill give them a try on the canons. they're the only other binding to fit my boot so they'll have to do.

[Jordahl]

yeah, i just dont want to see any other people get screwed over by canon, they're products are good, but tibor knows how to market so that canon boards go with canon bindings or else they fuck up. im not sure about jason roussel and alex b. and what kind of bindings they had but thats what he told me.

-jordahl

[shantz24]

well i appreciate the info. when i bought my boards i had all intentions of getting canon bindings until i found out i couldnt use them. and i just tried putting my ff cams on and the screws are too long for any of my boards other than the line weapons. so i guess ill have to get new screws or just risk the boards delaminating. o well, guess i better get used to replacing boards as i just realized tonite i cracked the top sheet on my jp pros a little. thats two broken boards this season....maybe ill just quit riding. haha, yea right. ill just find a better job thats all.

[PureVenom]

Your boards are not going to delam simply because you have bombers. It's due to the fact that Canon makes their boards a little bit lighter than most. Less fiberglass layers....nice and light but the strength is compromised a bit. Hence the broken boards and you might break them with any binding. My girl has them and so does my friend and neither one has had any problems with the heritage boards....one has summit bindings and the other has bombers.

By the way who is getting "screwed over" by Canon?

[shantz24]

yea i dont think im going to worry much about it. if they delam they delam. if they break they break. wont be the first or last broken board.

[PureVenom]

Yeah....on any board bombers allow maximum flex of the boards so you risk breakage on any model. I do however wish that they came with some sort of rubber disc or something instead the metal right on the boards.

[Greco]

that wouldn't help because if the board is going to brake it's at the rubber bumper not the metal disk. i've broken all kinds of boards with different bindings and they always brake in that same place.

g

[shantz24]

yes, thats where my heritage broke. cracked the topsheet right at the bumper on the back of the binding.

[PureVenom]

Hmmm...good point G.

[Jordahl]

im just saying, thats what tibor told me when i talked to him last week